Talk:Conservative

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This article now needs, at the very least, brief overviews of conservatism as known in other countries or regions. human^{be in} 15:15, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

Contents 1 'facts' 1.1 Re: m/M uslim 2 Goldwater vs. Rockefeller 3 See also? 4 Color 5 A Question 6 UK Conservatives Liberal? 7 This article gets it wrong (Rockefeller v. Goldwater). 8 Wrong on almost everything 9 Dutch Lib-Dems

[edit] 'facts'

Bohdan added a bunch of 'fact' tags with the comment: "some citations are needed for these claims". A quick scan made me think it ought to be easy to do. ANy help would be appreciated, but I'm going to see if I can ref them up - mostly with "explanations", but links to clear Reagan or Bush quotes (or others) would be even better. human^{be in} 13:20, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

I love adding fact tags. Resident vandal

If so inclined, may I occasionally feel free to revert them as being of vandalistic rather than improvement oriented? PS, your wandalism has shown much more effort and quality recently, good work. One more hint - mix it in with about a 3:1 ratio of "good edits" and it will get past the radar for longer! human^{be in} 13:26, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

You can revert any of my vandalism if you choose. I spent all night thinking up new ways to vandalize that would astound everyone. The problem is, what you have seen is all I got. I'll try to concentrate more and come up with something better. 3:1 ratio? I hate math! And what is a "good edit"? Is vandalism an edit? Resident vandal 13:29, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

A "good edit" is one that improves an article, from punctuation/spelling, to a citation, or addition of useful facts or jokes. Anything that would not get reverted ;). Then the vandalism is harder to find. human^{be in} 13:51, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

What happened to the references section? Bohdan did something to it that messed it up, then it vanished. --Kels 13:37, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

Negative. I added two more reference sections. It was trashbat who messed it up. Resident vandal

That's what I meant by messed up. What do we need three references sections for? --Kels 13:40, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

We need it to fulfill my vandalism quota. Resident vandal

Quality over quantity, dude. --Kels 13:44, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Re: m/M uslim

yeah (grudgingly) H. I hate to give any religion or deity the privilege of CAPS. It's just the way I am. RojerB^-KtF! 13:39, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

No problem, I know where you're coming from. A certain respect is due in some circumstances, however, in order to appear reasonably authoritative. I think. human^{be in} 13:51, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Goldwater vs. Rockefeller

I'd be slightly hesitant to define Goldwater as defining any aspect of conservatism by today's standards. The current group we have today makes me pine for Goldwater and some of his ideals; those neo-cons left Goldwater in the dust. He never had any use for Falwell and them. While I don't agree with him politically on many issues, he had an integrity that is sorely lacking in today's political arena. DickTurpis 19:05, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

So sadly true. What happened to the US conservative political movement is that for electoral gain, they co-opted and sold their solz to the conservative religious movement. Thus, as the framers of the 1st amendment were concerned about, corrupting both. They also (Nixon's southern strategy) retreated from advancing the cause of human rights in the US by "wink-wink-nudge-nudge" condoning racism. It earned them post-civil right era votes & power, but at such a cost to the republic. Eh, I could go on (and on), but I long for the days of watching WFB Jr. debating radical feminists on TV, with both sides acting "sane". And polite. Oh, and please feel free to improve the article! human^{be in} 19:21, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

[edit] See also?

This is a really weird list. McDonald's? Why aren't they in Fun anyway? Or gone... AT the very least, it should list Reagan, Goldwater, Rockefeller, Churchill, Thatcher, Cons. Talk Radio... human^{be in} 13:49, 12 September 2007 (MDT)

[edit] Color

What do you think is the color that would best describe conservatives? 98.17.14.201

Pink. human ^{there is no cabal} 14:48, 13 November 2007 (EST)

[edit] A Question

If someone you knew told you he was a Conservative, would you hate him on those grounds? GodBlessAmerica 21:37, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Nah. I'd begin to hate them if they started spouting racist, ignorant, dominionist rhetoric, and not shutting up about it. --Ζωροάστρης 21:45, 13 November 2007 (EST)

[edit] UK Conservatives Liberal?

The fact that the UK Conservative party has many Moslem members is not really relevant to an argument that the party is liberal by U.S. standards. Many immigrants to the U.S. are conservative, and vote Republican, whether they are Vietnamese, Turkish, or Colombian. ^{— Unsigned, by: PoorEd / talk / contribs}

[edit] This article gets it wrong (Rockefeller v. Goldwater).

One, I'd be damned if I believe that Rockefeller believed in minimal public intrusion (see Rockefeller drug laws). Furthermore, Goldwater was pro-choice. TheRationalOne 18:01, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

1. Look it up then. 2., Reagan, who was the successful bearer of Goldwater's mantle, was pro-choice too, or apathetic on the issue. However, in order to fold in the socially conservative Christian movement, he became staunchly pro-life - and made GHW Bush swear allegiance to the same credo in order to get the veep candidate nod. human ^{hilarious link to my talk page goes here} 18:50, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

@human: There isn't (well not at the instant I'm viewing the page), but this will change as soon as the page is reloaded thereby making this edit completely meaningless. Генгис^{clickin' those ads} 16:59, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Wrong on almost everything

This article is as ridiculous and insulting as the article for Atheists on Conservapedia. Seriously, racism, xenophobia, warmongering? Why not just say Conservatives eat babies and poop implements of torture. This looks exactly like an uninformed high school student's paranoid view of conservatism - the version on wikipedia is much better and very well balanced. I suggest either deleting the article for its overwhelming bias or have a conservative write a rebuttal. ^{— Unsigned, by: 24.17.131.16 / talk / contribs}

You may have a slight issue with skimming or reading comprehension. What you mention above is from this: "The center of the modern American conservative movement has incestuously been pushed further and further to the "right": with each success, the bar is moved farther to the right; with each failure, it is likewise moved. It now incorporates strong elements of fundamental Christianity[1], xenophobia[2], whatever racism they can get away with[3], warmongering[4], willful ignorance towards science, and a prideful nationalism", which is part of a section describing how the philosophy has been derailed in the US. ħuman ^troll 14:37, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Dutch Lib-Dems

The Dutch Lib-Dems are considered to be Conservative by Dutch standards. In fact, Liberal and Conservative are considered synonyms when talking about politics (over here, that is). I, myself, would never vote for a Liberal/Conservative, as they are way too rightist. InaVegt 16:13, 30 October 2008 (EDT)