Talk:Hillary Rodham Clinton

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Only a fanatical Obama supporter would think, under accepted political classifications, that Senator Clinton is a conservative, especially when this article goes on to say conservatives universally hate Clinton. TheRationalOne 05:13, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

When Bill was President, the Clintons spent an awful lot of time trying to reconciliate with the Republicans. Which suggests they're not quite as savvy as they like to act, seeing how under Newt Gingrich, the GOP was sworn to drive Bill Clinton from office by any means necessary. (Which is ironic, seeing how the only policy successes Clinton had were GOP plans like NAFTA. As Michael Moore once jokes, Bill was the most successful Republican president since Reagan.)

I've heard quite a few Europeans comment on how right-wing ALL American politicians are. The American political spectrum is massively tilted towards the "Right", compared to Europe--they've actually got Green parties that serve as something besides a punchline. (The standing joke is someone trying to explain American political parties to a European: "We have the Republicans, who are the equivalent of your Conservative Party, and then we have the Democrats, who are the equivalent of your Conservative Party.")

Also, it's funny you should say this today. I just today read a rather scary article from a decidedly non-GOP-led source that the church Hillary attends is a bunch of Dominionists. Which will make it very cold comfort if she gets the nomination and then loses in the election--the last thing we want is a bunch of those scary beady-eyed Theocrats anywhere NEAR the White House. Bush was more than bad enough. --Gulik 05:47, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

1. Bill Clinton lost the Congress to the GOP in 1994. Thus, he was forced to compromise on several issues to break the gridlock. This is the hallmark of having checks and balances in our government with the three branches.

2. The United States was one of the first countries to legalize abortion, to ensure the right of free speech and free religion, and to protect other individual rights. Is America perfect? Of course not. However, it's is naive and simplistic to understand global politics in a 1-D spectrum.

3. Even you know Hillary Clinton is not a theocrat. TheRationalOne 00:54, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

Contents 1 image 2 conceding... 3 Hillary for VP? 3.1 Aye 3.2 Neigh Nay 3.3 Moot point: never gonna happen

[edit] image

Can we get a picture of her, you know, smiling, or something for the main image? ħψɱ₦ ^ingenuity 23:17, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

[edit] conceding...

Several news outlets, including BBC, CBC, Foxnews, and CNN are reporting that the Clinton camp is denying that she is about to concede. Since up-to-the-minute news updates aren't really our mandate, let's wait and see if anything actually happens before dealing with this....PFoster 11:59, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Apparently she is due to "half-concede" tonight, but, yes, let's wait until the facts are in, at least. (half-concede means announcing that Obama has the delegates to be the presumptive nominee, but not actually removing herself from the race, or some such.) We'll see. ħuman ^{be in} 14:37, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Hillary for VP?

Should she be Obama's Vice President?

[edit] Aye

• They would be a good pair. (Editor at) CP:^{no intelligence allowed} 15:08, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
• He should offer it, since she ran such a close second. Her acceptance or not might be pre-negotiated behind closed doors, however. ħuman^{e society} 15:26, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
• She told members of Congress yesterday that she would do it, which means he's gotta offer it to her. And he should, on the principle that one must keep their friends close and their enemies closer. As long as she's on the ticket, she and Bill won't be mouthing off and getting in Obama's way.PFoster 19:43, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

The dems will suddenly start liking Hill & Bill a whole lot more when they are attacking Geohn McShrubbery instead of one of "our" own... they are, after all, skilled and tireless campaigners. Also, it's a natural route to HRC in 2016. ħuman ^{be in} 20:09, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Shouldn't it be Chelsea's turn by that date? (Editor at) CP:^{no intelligence allowed} 05:49, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

Hmmm, in 2016 Hils will be 69; Chelsea 36 - barely old enough. She'd really have to make a mark in the next 8 years to run for president credibly! ħuman ^{indefensible turds on the cheap!} 14:41, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Neigh Nay

• After spending so much time criticising each other, it would look disingenuous. Jellyfish!^{But wishing is not enough. We live in the real world where nothing does exist. We cannot just disinvent it.} 15:13, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
• It would just accumulate the huge drawbacks to both candidates. You don't want Rev. Wright and Bosnia, do you? ✡ ՔՎɌ⟰ 15:27, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
• They're just going to end up at each other's throats. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people resolute on this issue, and who knows what's going to happen. Honestly, I view it like a Schrödinger's Cat right now... There are simply too many unknown variables coming into play. Of course, Bill Richardson is being primed for being President, and being vice-President can help. (As long as you don't go and make a potatoe out of yourself.) --Eira ^omtg! The Goat be praised. 19:21, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Moot point: never gonna happen

• Having Hillary on the ticket would guarantee whole sections of the Republican base turning out to vote purely against her - sections, indeed, that might otherwise stay at home 'cos McCain's not conservative enough for them. It would be a suicidal risk for Obama to take, and he knows it. --Robledo 15:21, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

I agree with that point. Hopefully O and C will put together a "behind closed doors" plan where she gets offered the VP magnanimously and sincerely (O is good at that), and she will then magnanimously and sincerely decline, citing work in the Senate or some such. ħuman^ities 15:37, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

He doesn't even have to do that, fella. Hillary's stock is so low with the Democrat grandees at the moment that she'll take whatever bone Obama or the party throw her. Her future political career now depends on her not doing anything to fuck with the big O's chances in the run-up to the election. --Robledo 16:21, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

True, but he does have to make sure the die-hard Hillary fans are placated well enough to get out and vote for him in the fall. That is of course, partly her job, and that fits in with what you are saying. ħuman ^bean 16:42, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

Will the extreme republicans go vote for McBain just not to see her as Vice-President? And to compensate, wouldn't she as VP candidate attract some votes for Obama from whites, women, hispanics? (Asking here, not claiming) (Editor at) CP:^{no intelligence allowed} 16:26, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

In order: yes & not in sufficiently large numbers to make it worth the risk. --Robledo 16:40, 5 June 2008 (EDT)