Talk:Liberal/Misconceptions

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Move to something along the lines of common misconceptions about liberals? - Icewedge 01:35, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Yup. That would be better. Ryan T. / gggg?

Move away. I don't mind, just let me finish a couple of things up first. EVDebs 02:21, 6 December 2007 (EST)

I didn't check, but this reminds me strongly of the ~~bullshit~~ article on CP. Anybody who is not boycotting care to check? And who did the dumping? Some single-use account? Especially if it is a CP article, maybe our essay side-by-side template may be useful for the commentary since it's more eye-pleasing debunking? --Sid 07:21, 6 December 2007 (EST)

1 Income redistribution
2 Historic liberalism
3 Gun Control
4 Cartoon

[edit] Income redistribution

Technically, any sort of welfare system counts as income redistribution, which you'll find all liberals (and when it comes to Social Security, most conservatives!) are in favor of. Researcher 13:42, 6 December 2007 (EST)

[edit] Historic liberalism

Why is it that everyone forgets the existence of the liberal Cold War hawks, like the Kennedy's or LBJ? Researcher 13:46, 6 December 2007 (EST)

[edit] Gun Control

Wow, that passage on gun control reeks of poorly informed, sensationalist rhetoric. You're welcome to try and prove my edit wrong, but I have loads of real statistics to back up my stance that legal guns have no measurable effect on violent crime. Gun control isn't suddenly going to make firearms disappear.

To be honest, all countries with strong gun control systems have far less violent crime than the US. With that in mind, however, I think our lack of gun control and our violent crime spring from a single source, rather than one causing the other. (They both come from the extremely violent culture.) As a liberal who supports local officials being able to determine their own rules (for the msot part) rather than sweeping bans, I'm willing to go along with the edit. Researcher 22:57, 6 December 2007 (EST)

To be honest, there are also lots of countries with lax/no gun laws that have far less violent crime than the US (Finland, Switzerland, Uzbekistan, Argentina and Canada are examples.) There are also countries with outright abolition of all firearms that have far more crime (Russia, Brazil, Mexico, Colombia and the UK are examples.) It's not legal guns that cause violent crime, it's usually poverty, insanity or the drug trade. Unfortunately, politicians on both sides would rather pass feel good legislation that looks good in headlines instead of trying to fix the real problems.

Actually, Switzerland's violent crime rate IS the highest in Western/Central Europe. Maybe not as high as us in the US, but it's really high. Researcher 23:14, 6 December 2007 (EST)

France and Italy's are higher from what I've seen. Also, Germany's is almost the same. The fact is, there are always some other issues that are effecting this, not just access to guns. Switzerland is still a haven for money laundering and because of that it attracts organized crime.

UK's crime rate is higher than ours (US)? I guess I didn't know that.

Anyhow, I'm one of those libs that wants to keep his Remington 1100 and Glock 17. --Ζωροάστρης 23:55, 6 December 2007 (EST)

As long as no one tries to take my Toledo steel (or my fencing blade, or my saber, or . . . ), I'm good. Researcher 23:57, 6 December 2007 (EST)