User talk:Caius

You are a liberal.

This user is suspected of sockpuppetry, and has apparently used puppets abusively to cheat in official mob votes.

(create an archive)

Speak to Me! (haha, buttsecks?)

As a confirmed mustard jar for taking on this job as a Sysop on RationalWiki: I pledge to only block users if they ask for it, or insert unfunny vandalism. I furthermore pledge that if I indulge in secret private conversations about you, we will make a formal report to the mob. Is that all? If you impugn my motives without warrant, or challenge my "AUTHORITY", er, there is nothing I can or will do.

Teh Cabal (Oh noes! Halp!)

The Great Purge

I tried to continue the discussion at CW, but with exactly zero warnings, I've been hit with teh Bannination. Not only that, I've actually been purged from their record of users--if I try to log in, I get a message saying that my username doesn't exist! I guess the question of whether creationists resort to shady tactics is officially resolved. No big surprise, but still...geez. I just wonder how long it'll be before Mr. T declares "victory" because I "refuse" to respond. Oh well, the goat's better here anyway.--Bayes^update 18:26, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

HAHAHAHA! Oh Bayes, you suffered my fate. You get an entry on WIGO for a valiant defense. And I do contend, Terry, if you're reading this, that I am more of an expert than you are in first amendment law. For one, I've been to law school. For two, I've read a book.-αmεσ (tailor) 19:29, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

don't do it

Ames, don't make me post our conversation. Bohdan 00:54, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

Don't do it Bohdan..... Locke ^{Always Watching......} 00:59, 26 October 2007 (EDT) (By that I mean do it by all means.)

Our conversation?-αmεσ (tailor) 01:01, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

User:Bohdan/AmesGandCats I think you just got trolled. Bohdan 01:03, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

Sorry Ames. If it offends you, delete it immediately. Bohdan 01:08, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

Hahahaha, that was brilliant. Locke ^{Always Watching......} 01:09, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

I think Ames is offended by my implication that he has kicked his cat. I apologize if you are offended. I meant no harm. Bohdan 01:10, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

So, Bohdan, are you a cat person, or a dog person? Locke ^{Always Watching......} 01:12, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

Pinto, perhaps I went to far. Please delete the page. Bohdan 01:14, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

• AmesG, I know you have not kicked your cats. Please forgive my implying that you have done so. Bohdan 01:16, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

This is the funniest thing ever. Can I put it in my userspace if you don't want it in yours :-) ?-αmεσ (tailor) 01:20, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

How did you find it?

Spread the word! --Hjimachong 22:26, 28 October 2007 (EDT)

PS - you might want to consider archiving

You

On Facebook.

NOW. --Hjimachong 23:56, 28 October 2007 (EDT)

Shocking stuff. Replied. This is a fateful day.-αmεσ (tailor) 00:24, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

Shocking stuff? what is it what is it what is it what is it what is it what is it what is it what is it what is it Bohdan 01:34, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Go ahead Ames. Shun me. I don't care. Bohdan 01:40, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

It goes mostly to the fact that RobS fiddles trolls.-αmεσ (tailor) 01:41, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Ames hitting his cat

• I forgive you Ames. You will make a good lawyer. Bohdan 00:24, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

Yay! Don't ever leave again. We need you to wandalise and keep us honest.-αmεσ (tailor) 00:24, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

Bohdan is a clever little bugger.-αmεσ (tailor) 00:32, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

Hoji thinks he's funny

How did I know that when you uploaded this it'd be for me?-αmεσ (tailor) 01:35, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

You must be psychic. there is no other explanation.Bohdan

I am. Also, I get sentimental when I'm tired. I can't help it.... sniff.-αmεσ (tailor) 01:46, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Ames, I didn't know you like Vladimir Putin. The picture you added isn't working though. Bohdan

Nevermind, I guess you didn't add it. Bohdan 01:49, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

I'm not so much a Putin fan :-/. Although I shouldn't say that too loudly; I take my tea sans-polonium. If I recall you're not a fan of his :-)-αmεσ (tailor) 01:50, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Be honest, are you a sock of tmtoulouse? I operate the Human and PalMD sockpuppets.Bohdan 01:52, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

I hear ²¹⁰Po is quite tasty. Although nothing beats good ol' Dioxin. --Hjimachong 01:58, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

It is a true honor to be thought of as a sock of our Fearless Leader. But unfortunately, no. I do, however, operate both Andy and Roger Schlafly. I must say, the work of creating their personalities is rather dull.-αmεσ (tailor) 02:06, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Wow, you truly are a Black Hole. Locke ^{Always Watching......} 03:35, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

RobS is my sock. I use him to reveal the ultimate communist/jewish/atheist/FDA conspiracy without losing my cred at the meetings.--PalMD^{-If it looks like a donut, eat it} 08:27, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

I must come clean, TK is my sock. Or is it the other way around? Locke ^{Always Watching......} 13:02, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

silly wandal

Think it's some kind of bot - it comes around every day & drops these letters all over the place & then changes IP. Susan^{You don't have to talk, but ...} 18:35, 30 October 2007 (EDT) Oh & thanks for "sticking it in". Susan^{You don't have to talk, but ...}

Rejoice!

If God exists, he sure is just! ^{— Unsigned, by: hojimachong / talk / contribs}

THAT is totally awesome.-αmεσ (tailor) 18:56, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

hey ames got your email. go ahead and add me to YIM same name as the email. 85.195.123.25 19:27, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

Pseudolaw

It is time we develop a new term I think--pseudolaw. The analogies to pseudoscience are very strong. Here is an example:

Check here

and here

here the homepage for the "company

I have more......what do you think? tmtoulouse ^provoke 10:51, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

This is amazing, it has all the elements of just about every conspiracy and pseudolaw argument all rolled into one. This is a letter that as actually sent to a judge. Check it out..........how would you handle such a client as this? tmtoulouse ^provoke 09:38, 8 November 2007 (EST)

Wow... human 12:52, 8 November 2007 (EST)

deletion

Moved to my user page.The Alien^{Sick Freak!!!} 20:22, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

Hello

Hi AmesG, thanks for the welcome. I am one of the few people here who was never a Conservapedia member/user. Just looking at that site makes me break out in hives, and I don't even consider myself a "liberal" as such. I do, however, contribute to Wikipedia fairly frequently.

Anyway, I will probably be making some sporadic contributions. I'm not sure what I will work on yet. --Wet Walnuts 02:13, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Don't block me

But if you do, don't do it like your a character in Animal Farm. ^{— Unsigned, by: nwo / talk / contribs}

USSR Symbol

This is very offensive. I am disturbed that you of all people would "proudly" display it. [1] It is banned in some countries. To millions of people who suffered horrors you can't imagine, this is the same as you displaying a swastika. Bohdan 22:12, 8 November 2007 (EST)

I guess in America it's been detoxified, but I had not thought about the experience of people in your part of the world, Bohdan, so I'll pull it from my profile.-αmεσ (tailor) 23:18, 8 November 2007 (EST)

Yeah, I'd wager the "Stars and Bars" wouldn't get much of a rise over to the Ukraine. CЯacke® 23:31, 8 November 2007 (EST)

I don't think it's something that should be banned, but if it makes a user more comfortable, I'm happy to oblige. I whited the character out, just so I can keep it around in case I ever want to know how to make the hammer & sickle in wiki-code... but it doesn't show on the page anymore.-αmεσ (tailor) 23:33, 8 November 2007 (EST)

Am I missing something? To me it just showed a large question mark. Locke ^{Always Watching......} 23:42, 8 November 2007 (EST)

I invented the question mark.-αmεσ (tailor) 23:43, 8 November 2007 (EST)

I find your lack of glyphs disturbing. --Jeeves 01:04, 9 November 2007 (EST)

demotions

thanks for letting me catdch stile4aly's volunteerism. You want 'crat so you can play the user rights game? I see no reason why not. Just, please, don't abuse checkuser, it creeps me out. human 22:56, 10 November 2007 (EST)

I promises and you can trust me because I'm not yet a lawyer!-αmεσ (tailor) 22:57, 10 November 2007 (EST)

Congratulations. I know I can trust you because... well, I know I can trust you. human 22:57, 10 November 2007 (EST)

ZOMG. My first act is to hand the entire site to NightTrain. How do I... errr... do that?-αmεσ (tailor) 22:58, 10 November 2007 (EST)

Er, please don't do that, hehe. At least not for more than a few seconds. human 22:59, 10 November 2007 (EST)

PS, nice job cleaning up after that fisher price thing. Much work... human 22:59, 10 November 2007 (EST)

Wins! Sorry, been reading icanhascheezburger all day instead of working.-αmεσ (tailor) 23:00, 10 November 2007 (EST)

Congrats. *Plots ames' murder* Locke ^{Always Watching......} 23:05, 10 November 2007 (EST)

That's it, I'm making you a bot too.-αmεσ (tailor) 23:05, 10 November 2007 (EST)

Delusions of Grandeur

I hereby DEMAND that you create a special usergroup for me (the "Benevolent Dictator and Supreme Tyrant" usergroup) and make me the only member. Or not. --Ζωροάστρης 23:03, 10 November 2007 (EST)

How do I do that?-αmεσ (tailor) 23:04, 10 November 2007 (EST)

Wow, I was really just tempted to make Bohdan a bot.-αmεσ (tailor) 23:04, 10 November 2007 (EST)

Race and Intelligence

Personally, I think that would be a wonderful place to place MLK's speech, since it has to do with both. --Kels 13:38, 11 November 2007 (EST)

LULZ. Next time it comes up :-) -αmεσ (tailor) 13:38, 11 November 2007 (EST)

GofG on TK

have you seen this before? It's new to me. --Ζωροάστρης 14:34, 11 November 2007 (EST)

Interesting. Is there any other way to view that? Scrolling to the bottom to scroll across while reading is murder. human 14:46, 11 November 2007 (EST)

I don't think so... I found it while Googling myself :D. I think I'll go Google you now, human (that'll be hard). --Ζωροάστρης 14:50, 11 November 2007 (EST)

That's a fairly un-incriminating conversation, though, especially for TK!-αmεσ (tailor) 15:25, 11 November 2007 (EST)

Not incriminating, but certainly revealing. The passive-aggressive is strong in this one! --Kels 17:07, 11 November 2007 (EST)

TK

How do you spell TK's last name? --Ζωροάστρης 00:45, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Not gonna "out" his full name on-wiki more than it already is... but you might want to check your "My-Face" account.-αmεσ (tailor) 00:48, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Renaming teh wandals for justice

Awww, I wanna be able to do that... --_transResident Transfan^form! 11:24, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Can you rename SteriIe (not me, Sterile) to something else? VirileSterile^yawn! 11:26, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Done! I was gonna do it, but the subway came and cut off my reception.-αmεσ (tailor) 11:43, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Variation on a meme

As a fellow lolcat-lover and historian, you ought to take a look at this. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 16:41, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Always watching.....Stubbot 15:50, 15 November 2007 (EST)

Akj that was lolsome! Love it. Things like that give me hope yet.-αmεσ (tailor) 18:24, 15 November 2007 (EST)

Check out what wikintwerp posted under CP at the forae... human 18:37, 15 November 2007 (EST)

Trigger finger

Thanks. No problem. Glad an admin was around or I could have been up all night. Hell, might be anyway. DickTurpis 01:16, 23 November 2007 (EST)

I mean, if there's something good on, right?-αmεσ (tailor) 01:17, 23 November 2007 (EST)

Well, do Conan reruns count as "good"? DickTurpis 01:19, 23 November 2007 (EST)

Good is definitely relative :-). DAMN WRITER'S STRIKE! CAVE, STUDIOS, YOU FREAKIN JERKS! I would say Battlestar Galactica (new) reruns > Conan.-αmεσ (tailor) 01:41, 23 November 2007 (EST)

Hmm. Haven't seen the show. I'm not all that into sci-fi, in general. Though I was getting into Firefly for a bit there. Yeah, damn strike. A friend of mine who works for Colbert was telling me at "work" he's just been playing games and watching movies. And I thought he had a good job before. DickTurpis 01:52, 23 November 2007 (EST)

Bias

Ames, you wouldn't like to move your Essay "Bias in Conservapedia" from "Essay" to Conservapedia (ie, de-essay it) would you? There's nothing worth the name in the current article. (I might steal it anyway!) Susan^{... miaow ...} 14:55, 25 November 2007 (EST)

It was only a suggestion! (I haven't even got my whip with me!) Susan^{... miaow ...} 18:02, 25 November 2007 (EST)

Tee hee! Was just having fun... You were right about the move!-αmεσ (tailor) 21:20, 25 November 2007 (EST)

;)

Lulz at User:RosaParksFan. Smite the fascist menace, comrade! -- מְתֻרְגְּמָן וִיקִי ^{שְׁלֹום!}

Helios wuz here

As long as I'm here, I thought I'd drop by to say hi. ɧєɭıסş^{-get sunburn!} 01:01, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Hey buddy! Always glad to see you.-αmεσ (tailor) 01:20, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Give User:HeartOfGold his powers, as you said you would.

Yesterday you promised to give that user his sysop powers. [2] I realize you are a lawyer, but your not a liar also, are you? :) Bohdan 19:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)

The mob stepped in to discuss the matter. And HG hasn't come back and commented yet, from what I can tell. human 19:19, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Yeah, I wasn't planning on giving him any powaz back until he came back and talked to us about it first. My hope was that I'd be able to talk to him last night and figure it out, but mob intervention means that, in the words of Spock, the good of the many outweighs the good of the one.-αmεσ (tailor) 21:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)

_{(It's Surak, actually.)} --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 22:24, 12 December 2007 (EST) [Gains nerdness +1]

I will not live long and prosper
My middle name is not Foster
I am not Silek son of Sam
I will not eat Green Eggs and Ham
-- Dr. Seuss Goes to Vulcan (excerpt)

Kjeldsen, ∞ + 1 means very little. And Ames, doesn't that mean you lied? You clearly said in the post that you would give him his powers back. You are already a cat beater, don't be a liar also. Bohdan 22:30, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Okay, that poem was cool. But listen Akj, you don't want to go up against me in Star Trek trivia. That may've been Surak, as quoted in Enterprise season 4, but it was Spock in Wrath of Kahn, Search for Spock, and Voyage Home, FIRST! Punk. Oh, and Bohdan, I already gave you Oversight, don't push your luck-αmεσ (tailor) 22:32, 12 December 2007 (EST)

And legally speaking there's an agency issue: could he have reasonably relied upon my apparent agency to act unilaterally? Doubt it. I'll make sure it works out if he comes back. If he comes back :-/-αmεσ (tailor) 22:33, 12 December 2007 (EST)

That sounds like a fancy way of saying "I lied to HeartOfGold". Bohdan 22:35, 12 December 2007 (EST)

I like you Bohdan. When I get pissy and complain I just get called names. Lurker 22:47, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Keep complaining. Just ignore the name calling. Bohdan 22:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)

I will and I do :) Lurker 23:03, 12 December 2007 (EST)

The more appropriate answer is "I messed up." I didn't know that he'd been removed for misconduct, I thought he'd been removed when he went on sabbatical (like Airdish, who was recently re-crat'd, because he returned). So I didn't know the fax :-(-αmεσ (tailor) 22:38, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Correct. Now, back to the essential question here! It may be true that Spock said it first, but as there is no doubt that he quoted Surak, it should properly be attributed to him. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 22:44, 12 December 2007 (EST)

What "misconduct"? Different opinions? Reluctancy to be a RW Kool-Aid drinker? Be fair, give him his powers back. Bohdan 22:49, 12 December 2007 (EST)

When he comes back, we'll talk to him: I don't know what it was but his desysop message was "abuse." And AKj, that's HEARSAY!-αmεσ (tailor) 22:52, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Bohdan, you know that AmesG is in Law School. He strives to become a professional liar for hire! How can you hope to best him in this argument? Heart's "misconduct" was his idealogical differences with the PTB (Powers That Be) nothing more. He was driven off the same as they try with me, same as they did with Jazzman and others, whenever they don't like someone. Trying to argue with dishonest people is like spitting into the wind. --TK_/MyTalk 23:01, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Hey, Bohdan was oversight for at least 30 seconds last night, I'll have you know. And, I wasn't aware of the reasons for his desysopping, nor am I now. So... we'll see? Look, at the point that we're even considering having a sysop who disagrees with us, we're heads and shoulders above CP. Give it a rest. We don't know the facts, so we'll wait and see, unless someone can link to the diff(s) that bought his desysopping.-αmεσ (tailor) 23:04, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Uh-oh ames. Tmtoulouse, Colin R, Hojimachong, they were all liberal sysops. The only conservative sysop you have had was driven away for reasons you don't even know. And my hope is to simply complain enough that they just let him have his sysopship back. professional liar for hire ha ha ha! Ouch! Bohdan 23:07, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Wait, I had oversight? Does that mean I could have banned you and tmtoulouse? Bohdan 23:08, 12 December 2007 (EST)

You could have desysopped and destroyed the entire wiki. But you only had it for 20 seconds or so. See?-αmεσ (tailor) 23:11, 12 December 2007 (EST)

A thousand curses Ames! A thousand curses... Bohdan 23:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)

So in conclusion, we'll see about HG. And I'll have you know that the cat is very happy right now, bohdan, she's asleep with the girlfriend, not being beaten or anything.-αmεσ (tailor) 23:15, 12 December 2007 (EST)

I'll have you know that we have at least a couple of non-liberal sysops on this wiki. And they are sane! Very cool. And they want to not only be here, but make the site better! human 23:31, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Please continue here

Can you get me in at wikipedia?

Can you get me in at wikipedia? Thanks. Heart♥Gold^{Teach me about your father Satan} 00:09, 13 December 2007 (EST)

I barely ever use my account there :-/ -αmεσ (tailor) 00:13, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Can't anyone edit there? Just create an account and use it, don't "cry like a little girl". human 00:39, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Can I work on my Swarm Essay?

It is insulting (but it makes you think, I hope). Heart♥Gold^{Teach me about your father Satan} 00:16, 13 December 2007 (EST)

It certainly makes me think... about what is another story... but essay namespace is your playground.-αmεσ (tailor) 00:18, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Ah, nevermind. Heart♥Gold^{Teach me about your father Satan} 00:35, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Man, like you need us to write that thing? Got a copy of Word, or Frontpage? Get a free blog and work it out to your heart's content! Heck, I don't post everything I write on RW. I save the good stuff to get rich off of!!!! Or sumthin. human 00:58, 13 December 2007 (EST)

what the hell

Please try not to rename me when i am sockpuppteering for fun. It logs me out for some reason. --You know who i am

Of course I know who you are, that's why I did it... :-) -αmεσ (tailor) 00:21, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Cincinnati, Ohio. Heart♥Gold^{Teach me about your father Satan} 00:34, 13 December 2007 (EST)

? Oh, I thought that user was Bohdan. Oops.-αmεσ (tailor) 00:37, 13 December 2007 (EST)

I am insulted. Neither one of those users was me. Bohdan 00:38, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Or me. human 00:38, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Human, I should really block you for taking away HG's sysop powers. Bohdan 00:39, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Yes, you really should. Who do you think gave them to him in the first place? human 00:42, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Don't mind human, he's on the rag. Heart♥Gold^{Teach me about your father Satan} 00:42, 13 December 2007 (EST)

I blocked Ames to get him to take away the powers he gave me. Bohdan 00:48, 13 December 2007 (EST)

I forgot I'd sysopped you for lulz. Dammit.-αmεσ (tailor) 00:50, 13 December 2007 (EST)

See what happens when you forget things? Its like I am the only one thinkning here. Bohdan 00:51, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Hell, at least I kept track of my grotesque error and undid it! Sheesh. On the rag? Hog, that's so seventies. How's your brown worm? human 00:54, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Is this a joke?

How could you vote against HG? You were the one who said you would give him the powers in the first place! Bohdan 12:08, 13 December 2007 (EST)

That's the punchline!-αmεσ (tailor) 12:36, 13 December 2007 (EST)

I get it. That's actually not too bad. :) Bohdan 16:55, 13 December 2007 (EST)

i WANNA BE UNBLOKCEDED

pleaz I WANNA BE UNBLOKCEDED 13:06, 13 December 2007 (EST)

sock

I have tagged you for puppetry. You are not allowed to edit or remove the tag until the situation is cleared up. Thank you. Bohdan 19:43, 13 December 2007 (EST)

?-αmεσ (tailor) 19:45, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Go to your other talk page, Tmt. Bohdan 19:46, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Not you, too, Ames!!! Which one is all of us, anyway? human 19:47, 13 December 2007 (EST)

You are now restricted

Due to the ongoing sockpupet investigation, you have been placed under editing restriction. You may not edit outside of your user space. Thank you. Bohdan 21:10, 13 December 2007 (EST)

You are in violation of your parole [3]. Your account will be blocked. Bohdan 22:00, 13 December 2007 (EST)

You should really block tmtoulouse. Make it infinite. And take away his powers. Thanks, Bohdan 22:04, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Where in the world of fuck are you getting these ideas? --Cheers, ♦ Ryan ♦ ^{ǂ wuz here ǂ} 01:41, 14 December 2007 (EST)

He makes them up. He is our pet vandal, check the histories, etc. human 02:12, 14 December 2007 (EST)

Typical slander. I do hold the record on this wiki for the most blocks though. Bohdan 11:40, 14 December 2007 (EST)

In my opinion, at this time I believe there has not been slander posted on this user talk page. (too many unneeded words!) --Cheers, ♦ Ryan ♦ ^{ǂ wuz here ǂ} 15:17, 14 December 2007 (EST)

quote template

Mind if I tidy up that quote template (which I suspect you haven't tried)? :-) Susan^{purrrrr ...} 02:33, 16 December 2007 (EST) {go to bed - it's late}

Ahhh. It's already there:Template:Q & has been for some time. Susan^{purrrrr ...} 02:52, 16 December 2007 (EST)

I don't look like Phyliss Schlafly

That wasn't very nice about what you said about me. I do not look like Phyllis Schlafly. Trolls have feelings too you know :P - The Halifax Troll

Whereabouts in Halifax are you, anyhow? I spent a long time down that way, it's nice to see something familiar. --Kels 18:14, 16 December 2007 (EST)

I'm actually not in Halifax, the CP ppl just think I am ;)

Shame, that. It's a great place. You even in Canada at all? --Kels 18:20, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Dear troll, I just meant to imply that Phyllis looks like a dude. Not that you look like her aside from superficial male characteristics, I promise!-αmεσ (tailor) 18:16, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Its ok, I'm not thin-skinned like conservatives. I actually don't have a very prominent adam's apple though. hahaha, so how did you know that I, the halifax troll am a guy

Sexist assumptions of mine :-/ plus I think we've conversed before?-αmεσ (tailor) 18:18, 16 December 2007 (EST)

;) No Ames, I don't believe we have --HalifaxTroll 18:28, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Ames, is Bohdan a sysop? --HalifaxTroll 18:41, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Bohdan thinks I'm Icewedge. Is he for real? --HalifaxTroll 18:46, 16 December 2007 (EST)

block

That last block crossed the line. I am going to recommend your de-sysopping. Bohdan 18:38, 16 December 2007 (EST)

314 seconds!??!? Hmmm. Maybe a bit long. Srry :-( -αmεσ (tailor) 18:40, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Nah, I'm just kidding. Hey, on an unrelated note, how about giving me oversight powers for a few minutes? Bohdan 18:41, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Bohdan is not a sysop, in response to an earlier question. He's just saberrattling :-) but I think I'll not give you oversight just yet...-αmεσ (tailor) 18:42, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Come on, I'll block and de-sysop Human, not you. Bohdan 18:43, 16 December 2007 (EST)

hey

I blocked you and it said "AmesG has been banhammered". I don't think it worked though. Are you blocked? user:Bohdan 16:41, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Uh oh. No response. Did I just block you? Now I feel terrible. user:Bohdan 16:42, 19 December 2007 (EST)

You did, but I desysoped you, so we're even :-(-αmεσ (tailor) 16:43, 19 December 2007 (EST)

How can I desysop someone the next time some fool gives me oversight? Not that I would desysop you or anything, just in case some unethical user takes over the wiki and needs to be removed... user:Bohdan 16:45, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Good question. We shall see.-αmεσ (tailor) 16:47, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Oh hai! Are you flammable?

Asking?

This post by Kels, and other posts, by other Admins, sanctioned as they are by the Cabal and the Admins here, is the reason, Ames. [4] If it wasn't sanctioned, righteous Admins like you and Jeeves, would have already dished out two week or six month blocks for doing so, and then reverted them to time-served like you did with me. It is quite simply an allowed continuation of recrimination and retribution, a official, unofficial policy of of marginalization. It is merely a device to make sure no actual or perceived transgression is ever forgotten, therefore making sure that user is forever in a "second class". --TK_/MyTalk 18:21, 22 December 2007 (EST)

be proud

Always Watching...

I just found out someone made a blunder and I am currently a sysop. Be happy, aside from blocking worthless vandal tmtoulouse I have done nothing else. No one is making any edits, and I could have caused some serious, and time consuming to revert, disruption. But I didn't. Be proud ames, be proud. And take away the sysopship please. user talk:Bohdan 02:43, 2 January 2008 (EST)

I fixed the trauma for you Bohdan. human 04:14, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Yeah!

! Susan^Purrrrrrr 19:26, 15 January 2008 (EST)

some advice

Hey Ames, since you seem to be the user most involved with this TK block fiasco, I am going to say this to you. After reading over the TK block page and thinking about it, I have concluded that this entire incident is pathetic. Seriously. I don't see why you had to ban him at all. If he is such the instigator that you and the others claim he is, why not just ignore him? As far as I can tell, he hasn't ever created or vandalized an article. If he "starts trouble" (which it seems you and a few others did just as often as him) why not just ignore him? Or is Schlafly correct, liberals always have to have the last word? To quote susang, "be an infant if you must". Also, now that you are attempting to decide how to manage this wiki, a mob which I am part of, remember what all this offline policy stuff has gotten you. And unblock TK, the block was unjust. Best regards, user talk:Bohdan 18:43, 16 January 2008 (EST)

I admit that I completely fracked up the procedure. The methods I used were poorly planned and a joke of the rule of law, and they've have made me and the entire sysop group look like morons, and I take all the blame for that myself. Please, heap your aspersions one me. However, I will not apologize for the end pursued and achieved: TK is gone, never to return (he says), and in any event, we're free of him for a couple months. If I did a difficult, unpopular thing that'll turn up good, I don't apologize for the end pursued... much like Bush & the Iraq War (but hopefully with better results)... although I admit the pursuit could have been done much better.

Now, two final notes - first, my suggestions for rules were just that; suggestions. Second, what has all this offline policy stuff gotten me?-αmεσ (tailor) 19:05, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Vandalism is something that is easily taken care of. It is a minor annoyance but not harmful to the community as a whole. What TK has been doing has been harmful to the community - starting flame wars, starting arguments, making the place hostile for ip users, and making it uncomfortable for a person to contribute. Vandalism does not do those things. It is the community that said this type of behavior is unacceptable. It is also the nature of the wiki software that the community has to act. There is no way for an individual to shun a member of a wiki as can be done on usenet (kill files) or in email (filters).

As to the correctness of people go look at Conservapedia again and see how many times it is that conservatives have to have the last word. But this isn't a liberal/conservative issue (we are not all liberals here). People always want to have the last word. And yet, the last word isn't the issue either. Some behaviors are not acceptable in some communities. If you feel otherwise, try going into a church and start swearing and see if that community behaves any differently. You will be asked to leave and if you don't, they will call the police and have you forcefully removed.

TKs block is simply a matter of saying "the atmosphere that surrounds you is not acceptable in this community."

--Shagie 19:18, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Well said, Shagie. human 19:46, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Well said except that there is no admission that the flame wars, arguments, making the place hostile for ip users, and making it uncomfortable for a person to contribute did not always start with TK. Frankly it was Human and AmesG and others that instigated EASILY as much as TK instigated. 69.158.111.210 19:57, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Sweet. Let's host a kangaroo court on whether Human or AmesG should still be allowed to edit here? PS, Hi TK! human 20:09, 16 January 2008 (EST)

I find both guilty of Sexiness in the 3d Degree.-αmεσ (tailor) 20:15, 16 January 2008 (EST)

• Secret offline policy (or perhaps discussion would have been a better word) seems to be the stupidest part of this. This whole incident seems to be about something that happened in secret. How can the mob make a decision without seeing the evidence? TK had a clean slate when he came here. Yet many of you had something against him based on ongoing offwiki business. That should have stayed offwiki, but it didn't, it led to his block and undermined the mobocracy. And the IP above is actually somewhat correct, TK was often not the one guilty, yet he was always the one blocked. Locke 20:18, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Isn't that Bohdan? Honestly, I'm tired of defending myself today. Could someone else, please? Then I can devote my time to repairing my credibility, maybe.-αmεσ (tailor) 20:27, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Whats with all of the indents? This is Bohdan. Sorry, but my account was blocked. And you are a lawyer, you can't get tired of defending yourself. I still want to know what all this off-wiki stuff was. You realize that no one really reads this wiki, or even conservapedia for that matter? I strongly doubt anyone will care about what was said in the secret forums. Locke 20:30, 16 January 2008 (EST)

The short answer is, TK volunteered to help us get back at Conservapedia just after we started RationalWiki. We accepted. He quickly grew annoying, threatening, insultive, manipulative, poisonous to all he spoke with, and creepy. He blackmailed us into silence, with the threat that he would populate rationalwiki.info if we didn't keep his treachery secret, and later blackmailed us with other things. We eventually stopped complying, blew his NightTrain/E Wig cover (the height of his threatening & blackmail), he was banned from Conservapedia. He came back here, became even more of a douche, started turning people against each other by being a douche still in secret, but sweet on the surface, with no decrease in his creepy/evil behavior - threatening me, the Wiki, being creepy, and blackmailing us up until his last night unblocked, so we blocked him.-αmεσ (tailor) 20:43, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Hell I'm in the secret forum (singular, by the way), and I don't care what's in it. --Kels 20:44, 16 January 2008 (EST)

The difference is that Ames and Human are part of what makes RW what it is. Read http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html - seriously read it. There will be a test on it next week. I know that I was made to feel uncomfortable at times - I am sure others also feel this way (I hope they now feel free to speak up). Look at the community as a whole without regard for who started it where (I am well aware that there is a significant amount of offwiki communication that happens) and see where the negativity surrounds. Admission or not TK was not helping the community grow nor become a better place and wasn't even neutral in its growth but actively worked to make it a place that was uncomfortable for as many people as possible. Telling the person to go away apparently has had little effect. Past "I'll be good" promises didn't either. Various forms of of trying to get TK to change didn't either. I honestly believe the behavior was not punished soon enough and allowed TK to think that this was acceptable and made it so that community dividing personal attacks were not frowned upon as strongly. I hope that TK's removal will spur people into determining what is acceptable and is not acceptable and foster discussion of the structure for how to deal with such disruptive people in the future.

What this was not was secret. TK's attitude was never secret. The decision to block him was not. I doubt TK ever had a clean slate and if he did he tarnished it very quickly - yes, reputation carries over from one place to the next. One identity can never be distinct from the others they are linked to. His attacks against most anyone who interacted with him on here were not secret. He was a person the community did not want to be part of itself. The mob made its decision about the type of person that TK presented himself as and about how much TK hurt the community.

And the wiki matters to the people who are here. That is all that is necessary. It is the hope for me that some parent who is considering enrolling their child in one of Andy's classes will search and find this place and see what beliefs their student will be exposed to and be able to make a more informed choice as to if this is right or not. One child less child that is exposed to Conservapedia being seen as absolute truth is all that matters to me. --Shagie 20:45, 16 January 2008 (EST)

• Some people take their wikis too seriously. Locke 20:46, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Some people take their assholes too seriously.-αmεσ (tailor) 20:47, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Comments like that were part of the problem. Locke 20:48, 16 January 2008 (EST)