Talk:Feminism

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Article in dire need of attention! human ^{be in} 01:28, 8 January 2008 (EST)

Contents 1 observation 2 Voting 3 slut vs. stud 4 Residual wealth 5 Balanced content about feminism 6 Dress 7 I just moved this word to here. 8 Undressing Feminism: A Philosophical Expose by Ellen Klein 9 An opinion 10 Is this right?

[edit] observation

I have no great thing about feminism - I just think that we should all be given the same rights & opportunities. In the UK there still exist men-only clubs - in fact if not in law. In commerce the "old boys" and "golf club" mentality, where business is conducted outside a business environment makes it harder for women to compete at upper levels. In my lifetime there were men only pubs - I was the first woman within living memory, apart from staff, in a small pub in Scotland in 1974 [on honeymoon (sic)]. When I was 18, the only women who would go into a pub unaccompanied by a man were on the game or said to be. No mention of Germaine Greer? The chance of University, especially science, in 1962 were minimal for females - lovely to see how it's changed. Susan^{Help I'm being haunted by TK} 19:41, 8 January 2008 (EST)

Ah, a heading to add to my list of movement successes! Thanks! human ^{be in} 19:56, 8 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] Voting

Wasn't New Zealand first with women's suffrage (& Switzerland very late)? Irrelevantly, I've been trying to remember a SF book I read years ago wherein votes had to be accompanied by an essay supporting/explaining the vote - can't remember who by & it's annoying. Susan^{Help I'm being haunted by TK} 20:16, 8 January 2008 (EST)

I dunno, but once we get more countries in there, we can put them in order. And some of these things might become sub-sections. human ^{be in} 20:54, 8 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] slut vs. stud

STILL: A man who has had many (female) lovers is not regarded unfavourably, he may even be lauded as a 'swordsman' or 'good old boy' whereas a woman with a number of (male) lovers is branded 'slag' or 'tart'. Susan^{Help I'm being haunted by TK} 20:42, 8 January 2008 (EST)

So true. But in some corners of life things are improving. Personally, I define "slut" as a person who has sex with whoever they want, whenever they want (or can...), and that's a good thing. Making me & some of my favorite girlfriends happy sluts. But you're right, what you say still holds generally in society. To the point where people report statistics on average number of partners with a straight face (as it were), men at around 8 and women 6, I think. Which can only mean either the men are all sleeping with each other, or people are lying to make themselves "feel better" - men up the # and women lower it. human ^{be in} 20:54, 8 January 2008 (EST)

Heh, I read your deleted comment. Statistically, given all "straight" sex, it doesn't matter how the couplings are distributed - the average has to be identical. I'm sure such limberness would cause a lot of men to stay home, too. It's a wonder dogs and cats breed at all! human ^{be in} 22:11, 8 January 2008 (EST)

• I know this is old, but I just thought I'd say that I've known men that were unflatteringly refferred to as "manwhores".DSFARGEG 14:46, 4 January 2009 (EST)

[edit] Residual wealth

Because women, generally, outlive their spouses (both because of longer life span and because many men, especially the wealthy, marry younger women), there is now a great deal of the western world's wealth in the hands of women. User:SusanG 23:13, 8 January 2008 (EST)

Ya think? What about "power"? human ^{be in} 01:27, 9 January 2008 (EST)

Oh, and for the same reasons, a mojority of poor older people are women. human ^thoughts 10:49, 16 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Balanced content about feminism

Wikipedia's article on feminism is written by and for feminists. The article also resembles the irrational rant one sees in Women's Studies as shown in Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women's Studies by Patia and Koerge. There is no slander-free mention of the host of critics both from within and from outside the 'Movement' that have clearly shown the Empresses have no clothes. I hope we will do better here. 12.107.17.150 02:54, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Huh? Kirkburn 05:19, 16 February 2008 (EST)

I think it's a more scholarly version of "Waaah! The EVIL FEMINAZIS r oppressing me!" --Gulik 14:20, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Ok, I'm game. What criticisms ARE there of feminism. "why the fuck do you people want your rights, anyhow?" I've actually never heard any real criticsms of feminism, as it's a fairly "obvious" (yet never before stated) aspect of philosophy. "male powered language reinforces the male dominance in society" (Simone DeBeauvoir). "Women, either by genetics or socialization think differently from men, and approach the aspects of ethics from a more personal or intimate direction". (whole school of philosophers). "I can bring home the bacon, fry it up in a pan, and never let you forget your a man" - don't knwo who. "I am woman, hear me roar" (again, don't know who) "Mamma, I'm strange". M. Ethridge. what's to debate?--Waiting for Godot 14:29, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

You can consider the ideology-related chapters in Spreading Misandry or Legalizing Misandry for starters. They are full of ironic criticisms of this mean-spirited, moronic and evil ideology. These authors make a good case that feminism is merely recycled Marxism, Classism and Romanticism.

You might look at the cartoons in Camille Paglia's Vamps and Tramps. For heavier reading, try Chessler's The Death of Feminism where she says her Sisters have "become cowardly herd animals and grim totalitarian thinkers". For real world consequences these evil goons have you can read Until Proven Innocent: Political Correctness and the Shameless Injustices of the the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case.

For the more prurient, I suggest The Gentler Sex Offender on YOUTUBE. For those who like easy reads you can try Save the Males by Kathleen Parker or anything by Cathy Young in Reason on the topic. ^{— Unsigned, by: 128.111.95.52 / talk / contribs}

Bunchanumbers, you are so horribly misguided and ugly, but I reinstated your misogyny just so everyone can see how stupid you are. Cathy Young? Come on, you insult her by dropping her name. She's just a "struggling to make sense" libertarian. You, however, are a "desperate to make sense of misogyny" loser. No pointzes, no chonklit, go back to your corner. ħuman^culous 00:57, 23 November 2008 (EST)

[edit] Dress

When I was young (50s - early 60s) I was jealous of the boys 'cause they could wear trousers (pants?). Now I look at the young women & wonder why more don't wear skirts. I've just returned from shopping in town & all I saw was denim covered legs. So much for equality - it doesn't (or shouldn't) mean uniformity. (mind - I do like a nice rear end in tight blue jeans) Susan^purrrrr 11:57, 3 March 2008 (EST)

doesnt mean uniformity any more than geans themselves do for men and women (ie., gots to follow fashun if iz wants to be hips). I generally dislike skirts unless they are long. I dont like wind up my legs, dont like the feel of teh skirt around my knees, and especially dont like to have to worry how i sit. much more "freedom" in pants, i think. though when i go out, rare as that is, i do like to wear long skirts. looks dumb on someoen my size, but i still like it.  :-)--Waiting for Godot 13:46, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

I do like a long skirt, and dislike "pants" they're restrictive. I love the wind around my legs - short skirts are a bit of a no-no @ my age although my height (approx 5ft 1½in) allows me to get away with some fairly short ones. I've never done a Brittney, having learned at ayoung age how to get out of a car or sit down in an easy chair. Susan^{I am the antichrist} 13:56, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

[edit] I just moved this word to here.

simple - If this process were "simple" it would not have taken so long nor have been so difficult and disruptive. Carptrash 12:43, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

I don't see how "the demand that women be allowed equal political footing with men" could be anything but simple, Carptrash. The prolonged struggle it took to reach that point doesn't imply any "difficulty" with the demand itself. (I've reverted you, but if you reverted me I probably wouldn't kick up much of a fuss...) Jellyfish!^{Make me a bureaucrat!} 12:58, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

(I hate to agree with a Jellyfish but) The word applies to the demand, which is simple. The Fulfilling of the demand might not be. Demand: break the atom: simple, yes. Now carrying it out ... Susan^{Teh Antichrist am I?} 13:03, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Can I ignore the part in brackets? (What's wrong with agreeing with a Jellyfish???) Jellyfish!^{Fish can wish} 13:21, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Jellyfishen are notorious for being beasts of little brain. (Yes - ignore everything inside prackets - including this) Susan^{Antichrist (the) am I?} 13:34, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

*considers your accusation for several minutes... formulates devastating response...*

You're mean. Jellyfish!^{It is hard to know if nothing is actually nothing, and thus difficult to know if a policy of doing nothing is successful.} 14:23, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

We're all mean here. Get used to it. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 14:25, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

But some are average instead. Liar at RP^{(Ed at CP)} 14:30, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Good point. Let's call a median about that sometime. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 14:32, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Re: Ur Edit Comment: Well I like it. Jellyfish!^Chaos! 14:37, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Will the median mediate while meditat(ing)? Lord i need to finish my painting. --Waiting for Godot 14:37, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Undressing Feminism: A Philosophical Expose by Ellen Klein

To those editors who can tolerate reason, I suggest Klein's funny take on feminism as an inane philosophy. 128.111.95.52 23:21, 22 November 2008 (EST)

[edit] An opinion

Sirimavo Bandaranaike was elected as Prime Minister of Ceylon in 1960. At that time there was no Sri Lanka. Hence I changed the name. You changed it back. Have it your way but be aware that this was not a capricious change on my part nor one done in ignorance. How about yours? Carptrash 12:46, 7 December 2008 (EST)

She was elected Prime Minister of Ceylon. And she left office as PM of Sri Lanka. I looked on my globe, in my atlas, in the list of countries sitting at the UN General Assembly and found no such a place as Ceylon. Shall we call Nyerere the President of Tanganyika, too? Given the overlap, if you want to put a (formerly Ceylon) in there, fine with me. Hells, I'll put it in myself if that's too much trouble. PFoster 13:17, 7 December 2008 (EST)

We are talking about the first woman elected . . . etc, NOT the date and place that she left office, but when she was elected. Right? She was not FISRT elected PM of Sri Lanka, she was elected PM of Ceylon. But I never change edits that get made to my work. I just carp about it, endlessly. But you do what you feel is rational. Carptrash 14:00, 7 December 2008 (EST)

[edit] Is this right?

I was wondering if people like Bitingbeaver and allecto are representative of feminism? They seem pretty nuts to me, but claim to be staunchly feminist. It's hard to find stuff on Bitingbeaver, but much of her rage-inducing quotes are available at encyclopedia dramatica. As for allecto, there's a few links to her various blogs, some of which she accuses Joss Whedon of, among other things, raping his wife (under, apparent, feminist definitions of the word)... 86.46.192.63 11:57, 8 December 2008 (EST)

Sounds like far out fringe stuff. Keep this in mind. Joss Whedon is an icon of the feminist world. Researcher 12:39, 8 December 2008 (EST)