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[edit] Romantic attraction?

The article states that a "romantic attraction" (as opposed to a sexual attraction) amounts to homosexuality. Is that right? --Horace 18:33, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

Unless someone just changed it (and I think it was this way?) it says "sexual and/or romantic attraction". So you can want to marry them or fuck them, either way, you're gay. No excuses, no refunds. humanbe in 18:50, 31 May 2007 (CDT)


Wow, looks like CP has locked the talk page for this topic, only opening it for brief windows so people can make suggestions. I knew these guys were insular and paranoid, but they're really going to town with it now. Note that the suggestion was then removed from the Main Page talk. --Kels 11:52, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Homosexual Agenda

Any chance we can at least find a place to link to this image? --Kels 16:21, 11 July 2007 (CDT)

Gawd, I hope not. It's almost unreadable, and I still can't make myself follow it. Maybe it's a genre one has to be "into" to get? But surely, the HA deserves some hard core mocking (as a talking point) here on RW. humanbe in 20:37, 11 July 2007 (CDT)
Most of that comic was funny but when i looked at the bottom i dident liek teh authors name so i hate teh comic just because of the name of teh wirtor. StupidIdiot 02:16, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Ed Poor

Honestly, I have no idea what he's quoting in the first point here, but in the second point, isn't he quoting himself? I remember him posting those exact same words before and getting laughed at for it. --Kels 20:05, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Homosexuality is wrong

Homosexuality is wrong. WHITE POWER 17:39, 6 November 2007 (EST)

You're wrong.-αmεσ (decider) 20:16, 6 November 2007 (EST)
Oh, being different is wrong..god hates gay ppl..... Your funnier than the Global Warming artical. 98.17.61.6 20:20, 6 November 2007 (EST)
Ur gay.
And you - get a username already, will ya?? Uchiha 20:22, 6 November 2007 (EST)
I agree, WHITE POWER must be gay. Elassint Throw things at me 20:29, 6 November 2007 (EST)

I want to hear this dude make a real argument.-αmεσ (tinker) 20:29, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Gay marriage is wrong for numerous reasons.

  1. The Bible says so in Leviticus 18:22.
  2. Gay marriage is incapable of procreating and producing offspring to further the human population.
  3. Gay marriage breaks down the traditional family by offering 'alternative lifestyles'.
  4. It confuses our children about their sexuality and lifestyle choices. When young children are exposed to such choices when they are young, they become less likely to function as healthy adults.
  5. It allows the government greater clout into personal and family lives by expanding the sacred definition of marriage.
  6. Being gay is a mental disorder

WHITE POWER 20:43, 6 November 2007 (EST)


1. The Bible says so in Leviticus 18:22. So what. The Bible has no bearing on my life whatsoever.

2. Gay marriage is incapable of procreating and producing offspring to further the human population. So is my childless heterosexual marriage. Should we get divorced? Should we not be allowed to marry?.

3. Gay marriage breaks down the traditional family by offering 'alternative lifestyles'. The traditional family sucks. Lots of beaten and sexually abused kids come from traditional families. Traditional families used to include lotsa and lotsa wives, child brides and arranged marriages too. Things change.

4. It confuses our children about their sexuality and lifestyle choices. When young children are exposed to such choices when they are young, they become less likely to function as healthy adults. Children have always run the risk of developing into unhealthy adults. It's a big, scary, confusing and dangerous world out there. Get them used to it.

5. It allows the government greater clout into personal and family lives by expanding the sacred definition of marriage. Don't be stupid. It allows the government less clout in personal lives by letting them, you know, do what they want.

Why am I arguing with you, though - your user name is a clue that you're a moron. Back to work. PFoster 20:59, 6 November 2007 (EST)


Here's my list (compiled independently of PFoster's, although some points are similar):
1. It says so in other places besides Leviticus too. It also says that women have to wear hats when in church (1 Corinthians 11). Do the women you go to church with do that?
2. Many heterosexual marriages are incapable of procreation. I guess that should be outlawed also.
3. Please cite a scientific study showing that same-sex parents are any worse than opposite-sex parents in raising children.
4. Again, cite a scientific study showing that children with same-sex parents are worse off. Obviously your (presumably heterosexual) parents were great at instilling values such as "respect for others" in you.
5. Wouldn't permitting any two consenting adult individuals to marry reduce government interference in personal lives? Why does the government get to decide who can marry whom?
6. Mental disorder? Again, cite something please. Study within the last decade.--Bayesupdate 21:02, 6 November 2007 (EST)


1. The Bible says so in Leviticus 18:22.

Response: Right, let's get rid of them pork chops too.

2. Gay marriage is incapable of procreating and producing offspring to further the human population.

Response:6.2 billion people isn't near enough?

3. Gay marriage breaks down the traditional family by offering 'alternative lifestyles'.

Response: The "lifestyles" in question will be lived regardless of whatever state sanctions are (or are not), unless, we go back to the "good old days" we people were set ablaze to amuse, delight and read Leviticus by.

4. It confuses our children about their sexuality and lifestyle choices. When young children are exposed to such choices when they are young, they become less likely to function as healthy adults.

Response: So where do gay folk come from if not from "traditional families"? I am amused by your choice of verbiage, "lifestyle choices", when you're arguing that they haven't (really) got any choices, cause, you know Leviticus says so.

5. It allows the government greater clout into personal and family lives by expanding the sacred definition of marriage.

Response: "sacred definition of marriage"? Wha..huh? Yeah, how dare government define who people should marry!? Unless, of course you'd like to go back, back, back to the days before Loving vs Virginia (which, given your usenname I'm going to count on.

6. Being gay is a mental disorder.

Response: Being gay is uncommon good luck, this is offset by folk who claim it to be "sin" or "unnatural" or a "mental disorder".
I'll take being gay over being a bigot any day.
CЯacke® 21:37, 6 November 2007 (EST)


It is NOT natural or normal for two men to have sex with each other!!! Sexual Orientation is the same for all normal people- the opposite sex!!! For whatever reason, some people have a PREFERENCE for the same sex, and that IS a perversion and a disorder, that CAN be changed, no matter what the homosexual mafia says...It would not be easy, but it can be done, and it is worth it...All those people that are saying there is nothing wrong with being homosexual are NOT helping the homosexual community...They think they are, but in reality, it is just the opposite....And I know that the pro gay crowd that teaches "tolerance" the loudest will show their true colors, and be very "tolerant" of this letter (LOL) and they will "not" call me a a bigot, or say any other hateful things, as is the normal for you pro homosexual crud............You only have "tolerance" for other people that are pro homosexual... Go ahead, blast me with all the hate that you want to, because I love and care for you all to tell you the truth, that homosexuality IS a MENTAL DISORDER!!— Unsigned, by: WHITE POWER / talk / contribs

No, it has been proven that animals have gay tendencies, so it is compeltly nartuel. Elassint Throw things at me 21:31, 6 November 2007 (EST)
If you're going to argue "our" side please spele correctly. Thanks. CЯacke®
Please, I'm dying to know. How can homosexuality be changed? NorsemanWassail! 21:32, 6 November 2007 (EST)

we can develop a cure for gayness. or we can send gay ppl to a mental hosiptal (or at least have them take meds for there disorder)— Unsigned, by: WHITE POWER / talk / contribs

Or we could put a bullet in your head and have one less problem to worry about. Sounds good to me. DickTurpis 21:45, 6 November 2007 (EST)

We have a cure for ignorance too, it's called "learning". CЯacke®

It is NOT natural or normal for two men to have sex with each other!!! Then why do so many of them do it, across histories and cultures? Why do so many people feel overwhelming attraction for their own sex and not for the opposite sex?

homosexuality IS a MENTAL DISORDER!! Big claim. Prove it. PFoster 21:42, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Men have a hot dog. Women have a hot dog bun. They where created for each other. — Unsigned, by: WHITE POWER / talk / contribs

Ah, WP, you don't know a guy named "Hank" by any chance, do ya? CЯacke®
Is that YEC i hear? And think about this: Maybe at one time straights were only used for breeding and gays ruled the planet. Elassint Throw things at me 21:47, 6 November 2007 (EST)
Thanks, Mr. Power, for your coherent and logical responses. You do realize that the only person name calling and raving about being persecuted is...uh...let's see...YOU. Homosexual mafia? What do they do, extort sequin manufacturers and run a racket on ABBA recordings?--Bayesupdate 21:45, 6 November 2007 (EST)
Ixnay on the BAABay deal, we've almost cornered the market. CЯacke®

I thought those crazy environmentalist were the craziest people ever. I was wrong. You are clearly the dumbest person i have ever met,and you have no brain to call your own. 98.17.61.6 21:49, 6 November 2007 (EST)

I'm starting to feel sorry for you, WHITE POWER. Why can't you just admit it and get on with your life? Elassint Throw things at me 21:51, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Medication only treats mental disorders, not cure (generally; I'm no medical genius here). Also, mental health hospitals would be admitting so many homosexuals for "treatment" that they'd all be overcrowded, which isn't good. NorsemanWassail! 21:54, 6 November 2007 (EST)

True Norseman, true, but think how nice those mental hospitals would look! CЯacke®
Thats an unfair gay stereotype. Elassint Throw things at me 22:01, 6 November 2007 (EST)

This guys pathetic, he is probably some sort of Retard/Neo-Nazi. 98.17.61.6 21:57, 6 November 2007 (EST)


You know what. Homosexuality is the tool of the devil! WHITE POWER 23:11, 6 November 2007 (EST)

OK, you are just stupid. 98.17.61.6 23:11, 6 November 2007 (EST)
no your jsut stupid — Unsigned, by: WHITE POWER / talk / contribs
Okay, half the words there spelled wrong. Yes, this guy is a parody. Is that you, TK? DickTurpis 23:17, 6 November 2007 (EST)

God hates homos! - Hate to break it to you. There's no such a thing as God. And if there was, I'm sure he'd have more important things on his mind. PFoster 23:25, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Wow.... just wow...... Mental... wow..... I think my IQ just dropped about a hundred points. Locke User is Vandal/sysop Always Watching...... 23:23, 6 November 2007 (EST)

i hate to break it to you but you will most likly end up in hell unless you repent — Unsigned, by: WHITE POWER / talk / contribs

If everyone who is supposedly going to end up in hell ends up in hell, it's gonna be one hell(pun intended) of a party. Locke User is Vandal/sysop Always Watching...... 23:30, 6 November 2007 (EST)

You, WHITE POWER sound like the perfect guy to join me in hell. And your username is GREAT! — Unsigned, by: satan / talk / contribs

[edit] What about us grils?

Sorry to have to (+) but I've been ec'd about 4 times in a row - very popular subject.

I notice that you say it's wrong (according to 2000 y. o. myth) for two men to do naughties together, what about two women? Or does that turn you on? Susanpurr 21:51, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Everybody loves lesbians, that's why! NorsemanWassail! 21:54, 6 November 2007 (EST)
Yeah, I thought we had already settled the whole "lesbian hotness" issue...girl on girl is ok, boy on boy is yucky.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 22:38, 6 November 2007 (EST)
Notice our little white power hasn't commented for a while. Susanpurr 22:51, 6 November 2007 (EST)
I think he caught a second wind before starting again. NorsemanWassail! 23:26, 6 November 2007 (EST)
It's a skewl night. CЯacke®

[edit] What i think

I believe Homosexuality should be mandatory. A Liberal 15:17, 11 November 2007 (EST)


Well, i think someone put a message in the user creation logs that you bettter take a look at; FOR YOUR OWN GOOD! 209.17.190.78 13:38, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Oh yes, the three new usernames spelling out "god" "hates" and "homosexuality". Of course, in creation order they read "homosexuality" "hates" "god". I fail to see why it should be for my good that this was done. Totnesmartin 13:43, 13 November 2007 (EST)
If read in creation order they read "homosexuality" "hates" "god". That is true because homosexuality is related to satan. 209.17.190.78
What grade are you in? CЯacke®
11th. I'm a B+ student. 209.17.190.78
Satan - but there isn't a Satan. the only evidence for Satan is from the bible - which is mythology rather than fact. Totnesmartin 14:00, 13 November 2007 (EST)
Satan is also a symbol; most Satanists are atheists. Assume a!=a 19:41, 8 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] Homosexuality is a mental disorder

A mental disorder is when the brain malfunctions. Human is not perfect so they "Break" and that is what a mental disorder is. Homosexuality is a malfunction of the humans natural sexual attraction, hence it is a mental disorder. 209.17.190.78 14:09, 13 November 2007 (EST)

And you are, of course, a certified mental health professional who is qualified to speak with authority on the subject? --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 14:13, 13 November 2007 (EST)
No, homosexuality is a breaking free from genetic determinism! I approve of homosexuality. More gay Christians please, Mr Spong! '*Jesus*' 15:05, 15 November 2007 (EST)
@ AKjeldsen: Of course they are! That's why they didn't include their name, and offered absolutely no support except their own conjecture! Duh! DysPerDisTalk to me 00:59, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Homosexuality is a mental disorder 2

I know this because i am gay myself ;( — Unsigned, by: 74.200.200.42 / talk / contribs

I'm sorry to hear of your difficulties dealing with your sexuality 74.200, I, personally, am of the opinion that being gay is hardwired in, not a software problem at all. To labor under that misunderstanding though can be a great burden. (Especially around the holidays). Take good care. CЯacke®

[edit] Homosexuality in the bible.

We presently have: On the religious side, conservatives generally fall back on various Old Testament translations of the Bible to justify their view of (male) homosexuality as an abomination, while, of course, ignoring any other rules laid down in those sections of the Bible. There are certainly some new testament texts which seem to regard homosexuality in a bad light. I say this, not as a criticism of homosexuality, but to point out that the NT is not quite as liberal as the article seems to suggest.--Bobbing up 06:27, 27 December 2007 (EST)

Well, one could put forward a case for it on the basis of Jesus and Paul laying down 'compassion' as the basis, summation, and supercession of the law. --82.44.64.173
One could also put forward a case in, for existence, Romans 1:26 - 27 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Which also seems to take a sideways swipe at lesbians before coming down on male gays. So I'm not seeing all the tolerance soem would like.--Bobbing up 07:53, 27 December 2007 (EST)
The Romans passage makes clear that homosexuality was the penalty (penilty?) for "worshiping the creation rather than the Creator". IOW, the actual "sin" was idolatry and "we know they committed the sin of idolatry since they're gay, which doesn't "happen" to natural (normal) people, but ONLY idolaters."

CЯacke® 08:10, 27 December 2007 (EST)

Oh come on. This passage obviously says that whoever wrote it thought that homosexuality as a bod (bad?) thing.--Bobbing up 08:30, 27 December 2007 (EST)
In context, it shows up as a Bad Thing visited on people who had already given up on god, by god. It's sort of like saying the "sin" of being sent to hell, is the only way it can' be for those who reject the gospel. Notice how Romans 2 turns it around, "some of YOU were like that!" IOW, Once folk repented of the idolatry the lust for other men fell by the way, since under the New Covenant God doesn't hold so much of a grudge.CЯacke®
OK - but it's obviously presented as a bad thing.--Bobbing up 08:59, 27 December 2007 (EST)
Bah; one could go either way (no pun intended). You can either extrapolate out a policy from what is repeatedly stated as the basis of Christianity by the big guy himself, or you can go with what is specifically said, which seems like, as you say, a 'sideswipe'. Remember that Jesus trumps Paul in the NT, and he seemed quite moderate and mild with regard to all of the stuff deemed 'sexual misconduct' in the OT (eg adulteress story). --82.44.64.173
Ok, but it - and other passages - are in the NT. It's a specific passage which speaks explicitly against homosexuality. The authors of the bible were following the OT tradition which also clearly spoke against homosexuality. Are there any passages which explicitly refer to homosexuality and say it's OK? --Bobbing up 08:30, 27 December 2007 (EST)
In toto, the Bible doesn't have good things to say about most of human existence. But yes, the Bible doesn't really like gay people and would rather that they weren't gay and kind of says "if anyone can do something about it it's probably God". But, in my experience, God doesn't either exist or care about whom I love, rather she is more concerned that I love. CЯacke®
I should state again that I have nothing against gays. I'm only objecting to the fact that our article suggests that anti-gay rhetoric is limited to the Old Testament.--Bobbing up 08:56, 27 December 2007 (EST)

<==Comparatively, the NT is a kinder, gentler brick. It does not call for those so "afflicted" to be killed outright although being gay excludes one from the Kingdom Room in Heaven. Again, not so much for being homosexual except as evidence for idolatry. CЯacke®

OK, what it says is that god made them homosexual as a punishment for idolatry. First off, there is the fact that we're looking at divine punishment here - something which people seem to forget is in the NT; secondly if homosexuality is being used as punishment, then it's pretty clear that the author thought there was something bad about it. I accept that God didn't kill as many people in the NT as in the old - but hey, it's a shorter book.--Bobbing up 09:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)
Right, we're getting closer to an understanding that we're never going to agree. >:) The reputed author of much of the NT was paul, who didn't have a real lot of good to say about anything and he wrote a lot.
The difference between the OT and the NT was that the NT needed for people to believe that god had done this mighty work of reconciling herself with human beings, the OT demanded respect but didn't explicitly say people had to "believe". The belief part in the OT was a given, you were going to believe in something, be it Aserah, Azazel, Baal, YHWH etc. How that belief was demonstrated, (to Whom did you dedicate your sacrfices to?), was the (outward) way others, (including sometimes the almighty), knew where you stood.
In the NT, you showed you belief basically, in NOT doing sacrifices, Cf the book of Hebrews. Since God through Christ had done this great reconciliation nothing was left but to give thanks and meet with other like minded people. Religion was, as it is today, big business and this idea of NOT making sacrifices was crimping the style of many godsellers, see Acts 19. One of the ways one made sacrifice was to have homosexual sex with a temple priest. Said priests were probably gay to begin with, though they also probably had wives and children to satisfy the cultural mores of the day. That the "jobs" were neoptistically allocated probably helped insure the gay sons got the choicest couches. To Paul, all homosex was sacrifice to pagan deities, hence all homosexuals were pagans thus they were excluded from "the kingdom". CЯacke® 09:46, 27 December 2007 (EST)

I think that rather than debating for and against the meaning of individual passages, while not un-interesting, the most important thing to consider here is that there are in fact so few references to homosexuality in the New Testament. There are two probable references in the Epistles, and maybe four passages in the Gospels which might deal with the subject but are pretty questionable. This lack of references in a text which otherwise has a lot to say about a variety of things, would at least seem to suggest that this is not something that the authors considered very important in the greater scheme of things. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 09:48, 27 December 2007 (EST)

I guess there are two possibilities: 1) they really didn't care - (though the passage above suggests that at least Paul did.) or 2) given the O.T. Jewish culture which they came from they thought that no further comment was necessary.--Bobbing up 10:41, 27 December 2007 (EST)
Re: 2, that's possible. Arguments from silence are usually somewhat problematic. However, as the NT can be seen as essentially one big commentary on the OT, it is quite remarkable that is has so little to say about this subject. The best explantion I can see is that it was not something that mattered much for the early Christians, and perhaps not for the Hebrews of the 1st century CE, either.
As an aside, it's not entirely correct to speak of an "O.T Jewish culture" - there are significant differences between e.g. the culture that you have at the time of the early Torah sources around the 9th century BCE and the one after the Babylonian exile, which produced most of the Prophets and the Writings; and Judea of the first century CE was quite distinct from either, not least after having been through occupations by the Hellenes and the Romans. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 16:03, 27 December 2007 (EST)

[edit] I am gay and I would like to tell you guys something

Homosexuality is a mental disorder. Again, I would like to remind you that I am gay myself.

Its even harder for me because I also have OCD. --SitboDelac 15:01, 8 January 2008 (EST)

You probably need to be talking to some competent professionals about these things - I'm not sure that there's anything that posting on our silly wiki will do for you. Peace and good luck. PFoster 15:05, 8 January 2008 (EST)
I would say that, from a biological standpoint, it's not normal. There wouldn't be too many complex lifeforms if homosexuality were the rule. That being written, I am a big believer in the phrase: "Life will find a way." --Edgerunner76 15:06, 8 January 2008 (EST)
I know you claim to be gay yourself, and thus feel you speak from experience. However, the DSM (which catalogues damn near EVERYTHING as a mental disorder) does not consider homosexuality as a disorder. I'll take the words of professionals over a confused layperson. Researcher 15:07, 8 January 2008 (EST)
I agree with Edge that if most animals were homosexual then reproduction would have a problem. On the other hand nature is not, in fact, short of homosexual activity. I'm a little bit wary of saying "normal" or "abnormal" as that implies somewhat of a value judgment which I don't feel I'm not qualified to make. I think it just is.--Bobbing up 15:16, 8 January 2008 (EST)
There is some evidence that taking some members of a species out of the gene pool to rededicate them to helping others can contribute overall to a species health. The idea is that a random collection of genes/triggers go off in a (fairly small in some species, extremely large in some insect species) species and then that person stops having sex with the opposite sex, stops attempting to create offspring, etc. Researcher 15:25, 8 January 2008 (EST)
Also keep in mind that "most living things" don't even reproduce sexually... And what about the combination of my genes and environment that made me decide never to have children? human why is there a weird line through the "h" in my username? 18:02, 8 January 2008 (EST)

A little clarification: my use of the word normal and my article thereof are meant as parody. The article is actually taken from Star Trek: Generations and an exchange between Dr. Soran and Geordi LaForge. I did also mention complex lifeforms. Of course, homosexuality sort of becomes a divide by zero situation when taking about things that don't reproduce sexually. --Edgerunner76 21:00, 8 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] I hate to agree with Elassint, but...

He's right. The correct word is "homophobes," not "conservatives." Not all conservatives are homophobic- some of them like teh hot man-on-man action, even. and not all liberals are not homophobic. I'll revert, please discuss.PFoster 21:18, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

Finally, you are a little less like conservapedia! But why I am still hated? -- Elassint Hi! ^_^ 21:27, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
'Cause you can be a shit-disturber sometimes. But you're right on this and I'll fight for it if need be.PFoster 21:28, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
Don't forget to change the following sentence, which refers to "conservative" intrusions in Americans bedrooms. Like it or not, they's the players on that part of the issue. & I stand corrected on the edit warping, sorry, Elassint. human troll 21:51, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Marriage

Would something about gay marriage be appropriate on this page as a sub headling? It's going to be quite the issue in CA this November. Course, polls show they "yes" are loosing, buwahahahaha!--WaitingforGodot 14:49, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Well, we have same-sex marriage to link to... ħumane society 04:08, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Gay or a gay?

I have some doubts about the following passage:

“ An odd thing seems to have happened with the American version of "gay", it is almost never used as a singular noun, "He is a gay," but rather almost always (as a singular) as an adjective "He is gay." It is seen many times and places as a plural (collective) "The gays are up in arms!" "They're all gay in that part of town." ”

Leaving aside the bad punctuation, it isn't really clear what its message is about use of "gay & "a gay". Gay (in all its meanings) has always been primarily an adjective. Use as a noun ("gays" or "a gay") is a variant in recent decades, which may be used more in some quarters than others, and this isn't necessarily odd. Neither is singular noun use ("he is a gay") particularly more desirable than adjectival use ("he is gay"). Whether it is derogatory depends a bit on context. But consider the anology of the word black (in racial terms). To say that somebody is "a black" is not usually considered preferable to saying that they are "black". (The analogy doesn't really work with "African American" since American has always been used as both adjective & noun without negative connotations being attached to either use). I think that the "oddity" this passage is trying to illustrate is a questionable one. Saying that somebody is "a gay", "a black", "a Jew", etc. instead of the appropriate adjective may sometimes (not always) be a way of verbally associating them with a fixed stereotype rather than considering them as an individual. Plural use of these words ("gays", "blacks", "Jews") may sometimes be doing this, but is often just shorter than saying "gay people", "black people", "Jewish people", etc. Weaseloid 07:38, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

It is one of those things that always sound a little funny to me to say "a gay". I remember watching Little Britain and finding the statement "but I'm a gay" slightly unusual. It might be correct to say "a gay", but as everyone say "is gay". \approxπ 07:45, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
I edited some of that at one point, and i think what was trying to be made clear is that the term "a gay" is most frequently used by those who dislike gays. "he's a gay" "it's run by the gays", and it become very derogative. --Waiting for Godot 11:52, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
I've actually just deleted that bit from the article. I agree that "a gay" is often more derogative than "gay", which is what I was trying to explain above. I didn't think this was conveyed very well in the text, which suggested that it is odd that Americans don't say "a gay". Weaseloid 11:57, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
(Incimadentally, the argument doesn't really extend to lesbian since "she is a lesbian" is still much more common & correct-sounding than "she is lesbian". But I think that's more to do with the construction of -ian words - e.g. "he is a Christian" rather than "he is Christian" or "the creature was a Martian" rather than "it was martian".) Weaseloid 12:02, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
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