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[: --e|m|c ^[TALK] 16:14, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Fruitcake! -- Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 16:16, 16 February 2008 (EST)

I never knew the plural of "afikoman" was "afikomen". --e|m|c ^[TALK] 16:19, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Yes. Do you know any good afikowomen? -- Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 16:20, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Indent Nazi

RA: there's a reason I dont indent beyond 4 - I can't see it properly on my screen! It just streams down one word /line @ rh edge. Susan^Miouw 18:41, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Are you editing via cell phone? -- Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 18:47, 16 February 2008 (EST)

pda/cell yup! Susan^Miouw 18:53, 16 February 2008 (EST)

STBY! :-) -- Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 19:04, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Susan wrote our friggin' help files and several navigation templates on that tinkertoy. A nine pixel by twelve pixel screen. Full 28-key keyboard. 16 colors. Oh, and a 1.2Kb/s innertube connection! human 19:07, 16 February 2008 (EST)

mIRC "slap"

Click on tools/script editor

Then popups. This was hard for me, and took me a while to break, and I think I had to hack around, but, when you see:

this crap:

.Ping:/ctcp $$1 ping
.Time:/ctcp $$1 time
.Version:/ctcp $$1 version
DCC
.Send:/dcc send $$1

Below it you see:

.Send:/dcc send $$1
.Chat:/dcc chat $$1
-
cheese:/me covers $$1 with a nice bit of cheese.  Yummy!
.Cod:/me sends $$1 to the Cape and Islands for a jolly holiday!
.2by4:/me slaps $$1 upside the head with a clue by four.
.purple:/me pwns $$1 with bright purple text.
.goat:/me thinks $$1 ate all the goat pizza again!

Well, no you won't cause I typed that in. I am not impressed by the mIRC wetware, this should have been easier. But that's what I wound up with. You'll have to bang it on the head with a trout to get it to work. hth, but I doubt it. human 22:19, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Signature

How do I get my signature to do like yours? {{subst:nosubst|User:Kip the Dip/sig}} 06:58, Feb. 17, 2008

I just answered on your talk page. And I hadn't even realized you had asked me yet when I did. ^_^ -- Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 02:13, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Thanks! -- Kip teh Dip • Talk 07:16, Feb. 17, 2008

Your welcome. Anything for an old familiar face! -- Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 02:17, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Okay, I'm going to leave.

When I came here, I thought this was a place to share your opinions and use reason to support them, applying logical arguments, debate, and the such. When you said there were a lot of militant atheist, I thought, "Well, of course. This is their thing." Now that I've browsed around, I see that this is an atheistic site, and a person that believes in an ancient holy book is not wanted here. (Especially not a future preacher!) I've always planned to one day be one of those religious apologetics, but I can't do it here and now because I'm not smart enough yet. : ( If I want to try to defend my beliefs, I'll just end up looking like a fool and embarrass myself. I might come back after I finish college and have more knowledge under my belt. See you at Uncyclopedia. -- Kip teh Dip • Talk 12:10, Feb. 17, 2008

It saddens me to see you go so soon. Well, I hope to see you again here. -- Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 16:37, 17 February 2008 (EST)

A shame for you to give up so easily. I'm afraid believers in "ancient holy books" have a hard time here if they haven't really sorted out why they believe in the first place. Most non-believers here have given a lot of thought to why they don't believe and are present here because it matters to them, so I guess you could describe them as militant. If you've already decided you want to be a preacher then there is probably little chance of anyone here persuading you that there are more important things you could do with your life. You will live your life on the charity of people trying to assuage their own guilt. Ever thought of being a doctor, or a biochemist, or an intermediate technologist? You could have the chance to actually improve the lives of millions of people by helping them overcome disease, finding a cure for AIDS or malaria, or being able to produce clean water or cheap renewable energy for deprived people in the developing world. And yet you want to be a preacher, probably sitting in a comfortable house in suburban USA, standing up and frightening poorly educated people into giving you money. If you want people to see the value of your beliefs it will not be by hectoring them that they are all sinners, it will be by doing something worthwhile with your life and then showing them that you did it because your were filled with love for all your brothers and sisters. Believing in an ancient text without questioning where it came from and how it has been manipulated by other men demonstrates a singular credulity, the quality of a follower not a leader. Genghis ^Marauding 17:16, 17 February 2008 (EST)

And Genghis wins today's "Most Bigoted Statement of the Day Award"! Congratulations! A fine showing! --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 17:21, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Genghis, you know that is... harsh. Would it really kill you to just think of preachers as therapists with an interesting story? Kip, if you're still here, I'm sorry I missed this whole turn of events. There should have been no reason for you to feel ostracized at RationalWiki. If you really want to help people and believe that as a preacher you will be able to really do so, then that is fine for you. My only small word of advice would be to guard yourself against self-idealization as "crusader for morality" - although to be fair, that can happen to almost anyone. I also hope you feel able to return to RationalWiki after sorting out whatever issues you're having with your own beliefs. Uchiha^KATON! 17:26, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Huh, Genghis. Just for your last sentence, (at least in some confessions) aspiring priests really study hard those matters, and don't believe it's only brainwashing. It's not that they wake up one day and start preaching about things they know nothing about. Editor at RW^{was rooting for HD DVD} 17:35, 17 February 2008 (EST)

AK, that seems like a cheap riposte and one that really lowers my estimation of you. I have no quibbles with those like yourself who have given a great deal of thought to their beliefs and understand the context and history of religious texts. However, being a believer does not preclude one from making a real contribution to the world. I partook in Voluntary Service as a student and in my current work visit some of the poorest places on the planet. Places where poor uneducated people are virtually coerced into giving some of their meagre earnings to support a so called preacher who invariably has one of the best houses in the village. Travel through rural Alabama and you see conditions that are on par with many places in West Africa, yet there are always grand churches. You may think that a preacher provides spiritual comfort but my wife's work as a counsellor with people who have suffered bereavement or been affected by eating disorders and cancer have shown me that social structures are often more important. I work with people of many different faiths and ethnic backgrounds and treat them all the same. With so much wrong in the world, I get irked by those who decide to seek a position of authority in religion or politics and tell others how to live their life while sponging off the efforts of the majority. It is a sad day when a young person decides to be a preacher with all the other possibilities out there, especially when they admit they are not smart enough to argue their case.

To the others who have commented, I have no doubt that many priests study the bible and learn about the history of the texts. However, my concern was that someone has comitted themselves to this path without really knowing what they are following. Genghis ^Marauding 18:06, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Genghis, the implication of what you say is that priests are leeches who contribute nothing to society. This is not only an unfounded and incorrect generalization, it also greatly disparages the thousands of clergy who have devoted their lives to helping the less fortunate everywhere in the world, often at considerable cost to their own physical and material well-being. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 18:57, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Come on, AK, venality and corruption are fairly consistent features of the priest class in every civilization in recorded history. For every Helander, there's a Pardoner or a Summoner. Genghis wasn't shooting that wide of the mark. --Robledo 19:32, 17 February 2008 (EST)

They're not scotsmen! --מְתֻרְגְּמָן ^{שְׁלֹום}

"Every civilization in recorded history"? That's a pretty bold claim, Robledo. I expect you have some sources readily available to back it up? --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 20:19, 17 February 2008 (EST)

RA - Apologies for messing up your talk page. Genghis ^Marauding 18:14, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Apology reluctantly accepted. -- Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 18:37, 17 February 2008 (EST)

The Bible (or Torah or Koran) is a wonderful book on how people get along and a set of guides of 'this is a reasonably good way to survive in a group of people in ancient Mesopotamian, Nile, and Roman regions'. Keeping Kosher is superb at keeping yourself healthy 4000 years ago and demonstrating your faith in YHWH today. That faith offers significant support for people and guidelines on how to live today. There are other systems of belief too that serve just as well. The problem occurs when someone says "I am right, everyone must do as I say and those who don't are going to suffer in eternal torment (or equivalent, reincarnated as worms also serves)." When that belief structure collides with those who don't like being told what to do by anyone, much less someone book written a few thousand ago... and that belief structure is being used in conjunction with the scientific beliefs of a few thousand years ago over what our own eyes and mind can see runs counter to the physical world around us... well, then you have the militant atheists who assume that all belief structures are detrimental to human society. And since I've been on a Heinlein kick recently... these quotes might help you understand the libertarian take on religion...

• The profession of shaman has many advantages. It offers high status with a safe livelihood free of work in the dreary, sweaty sense. In most societies it offers legal privileges and immunities not granted to other men. But it is hard to see how a man who has been given a mandate from on High to spread tidings of joy to all mankind can be seriously interested in taking up a collection to pay his salary; it causes one to suspect that the shaman is on the moral level of any other con man. But it is a lovely work if you can stomach it
• When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, 'This you may not read, this you may not see, this you are forbidden to know,' the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything--you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.
• The nice thing about citing god as an authority is that you can prove anything you set out to prove.

And what really scares many of us here...

• It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics

And so, I offer you this.

“”Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. -- Buddha

Words to live by no matter what you are reading. --Shagie 23:28, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Stay, Kip?

Hey Kip, forgive me if I misunderestimate the issue (I'm kind of an absentee sysop lately), but I think there's definitely a place for you. I'm not an atheist either (more agnostic), for one: I don't think you have to be an atheist to like it here, you just have to have some dedication to the idea of rationalism and moderation in human affairs. And I think there are many religious people who can sign onto that ideal, and I expect you're one of them. Please don't feel pressured to conform; I'd like different people to find their home happily here, and your perspective would be appreciated, whether or not it's representative of the dominating group on the site. My schpiel.-αmεσ (tinker) 23:48, 17 February 2008 (EST)