Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?

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Schlafly's courses

Being bored I looked over at Schlafly's courses.....there is what one active user in the math and supreme court ones? One.......why bother? tmtoulouse ^plague 23:15, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

By the way this talk page and the actual page should be archived some how...older months put into subpages. tmtoulouse ^plague 23:20, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

Done the talk page. What, you couldn't, er, figure it out? human^{be in} 00:14, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

Speaking of children

It's actually pretty innocuous, but for some reason, Ken attempting banter with BethanyS here totally creeps me out. --Kels 17:02, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

You know, I was actually just thinking about this as well and a lot of the attention being paid to BethanyS is creeping me out. -Smyth 17:13, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

Well Beth's talk page is currently protected so only sysop's can chat with her (she has no email enabled - pretty poor for a sysop who can block without anyone being able to challenge). However, she is obviously one of Andy's hand-groomed pet homeskulers so nobody likes to upset her as they then challenge her "guardian". She got her sysopship for a handfull of crap edits about dragons and stuff after Andy obviously promised it to her if she did some editing. Genghis Khant 17:55, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

If she did some "editing." tmtoulouse ^plague 18:21, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

Wait, is it creeepy when we banter with Kels, et al on here? What really creeped me out was that animation. Ew! human^{be in} 18:48, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

I think the whole "age of consent" is what defines creepy. tmtoulouse ^plague 18:49, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, it's a guy like Ken being all "chummy" with a teenage girl, given the image that I've got of Ken from his many exploits. *shudder* --Kels 18:53, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

Seen cynically, it's not creepy, but an attempt to get back in the favor of Bethany's patron Andy. Or he could just trying to make friends. I think what's most remarkable in this, actually, is it's the first example we've seen on Conservapedia of one sysop attempting to be nice or make overtures of friendship to another. We know first and second hand how hostile the relationships between Sysops are. What's remarkable is that this doesn't fit within that paradigm. αmεσ (ninja) 22:33, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

Did anyone else see this?

Noted paranoid and CP sysop, RobS, seems to be trying to make some sort of point
Oh, what could it be...

What the hell is it?!-αmεσ (ninja) 22:32, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

Oh no! Rob has called us communists! I'm soo offended! Whatever shall we do to remove this horrible stain from our collective character?

Or maybe he's just trying to parody himself. That kind of makes sense.--Offeep 22:37, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

Ooooooh nooooooes! Commies! Where did he get that?!?!? --Linus^{(plot evil tech)} 22:52, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

The whole cut and paste random clippings gives it a nice schizophrenic feel. tmtoulouse ^plague 22:55, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

Not only is it one of his better (or his only good) works, the "copyright" notice at CP is another kind of classic bit of confusion. If he made it, why "fair use"? If he didn't, what's the source? Etc., etc. We should put it on our pages as a direct load from CP. All our pages (most as a 1 pixel thumb?). And add it to all CP pages likewise. Get it into the top 40! human^{be in} 01:08, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

That's not entirely unfunny. I sort of like it. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 11:26, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

OMGTHATISLYKSOSMARTLOLOLOLOLOLOL. ;) - All Hail Tuna 11:29, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

There's a better copy up now where you can see more clearly FDR's hand picked Stalinist prize dupe and former Democratic Vice President, Henry A. Wallace, delivering a McCarthyite smear on President Truman, "the Truman Administration is conducting a Hitler like "campaign of terror."

Now, if you fail to replace this version with the one on my page, can we conclude RW is enggaed in censorship? RobS 11:55, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

I'm confused. What is RW censoring? VirileSterile^{blah, blah, blah} 12:03, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Dunno. It probably is censoring the ESSENCE of RobS' user page. :O - All Hail Tuna 12:04, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Rob, I don't plan on uploading the new montage, not because we're censoring, but because I honestly don't feel it's worth my effort. If you upload it and change the link (RW allows users to upload, doesn't it?) I would not object. But I don't plan on wasting any more effort on this :-P-αmεσ (ninja) 12:14, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Thank you. Oh, and I mistakenly labeled in fairuse; it's public domain. Source: FBI Silversmaster file Vol. 131 Pgs. 36 -54 pdf. RobS 12:56, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Now now, it's not nice to tease the mentally ill. --Kels 12:23, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

...or this?

Eury, after making his two "90/10 violating" edits, quickly turns to more important matters: namely, insulting Andy's mom and asking about you-know-what. I could almost feel physical force of the banhammer sweeping down on this guy... Feebas factor 23:58, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

I made it! YEAH!!!!! My Wizard of Oz edit to Andy's mom's page here got on to his Talk page on CP. I've hit the bigtime! :) --Edgerunner⁷⁶ 08:40, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Gossip

Isn't every pageview we give Conservapedia a pageview for gossip? And how much of the pageviews do you think are cabal-related? Hmmmm. I'm guessing at least 20% of CP is gossip-related thanks to us.-αmεσ (ninja) 12:25, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

That's the main reason I go there. The gossip, the ongoing sysop soap opera, the Just Plain Wrong lulz, and to see just how far into hypocrisy they can sink. For instance, you notice that RobS' page approvingly quotes Pete Seegar, although he was a quite enthusiastic member of the Communist Party for most of his life? I guess RobS' standards have a wee bit of wiggle room, after all. --Kels 12:40, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Yep. Well, that or he's just an idiot. Not that I think that, I just want to include all options so we can all make the most informed decision. -Smyth 13:02, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Suicide

What do you all think, shouldn't RationalWiki have a much higher percentage of the occurrence of "suicide" than either CP or WP? Maybe a template can be created that wouldn't show up on pages, but would count them in a search? Maybe more work than it's worth. -Smyth 15:29, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

We have a category, but I think the only article in it is Albert Camus, since we don't have a Vince Foster article. Maybe the rational actually selficide less? human^{be in} 15:34, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Probably. Suicide doesn't seem like a very rational thing to do under most circumstances. Besides which, we probably ought to remove Camus from the cat, since that "self-inflicted accident" sounds a bit questionable. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 15:38, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

How about "fact" tagging it so someone (me) will be forced to footnote it? human^{be in} 15:49, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Done. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 15:53, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

The more fascinating this is Andy has the audacity to unfoundedly link breast cancer and abortion, and then use the most shitty data (Do wiki stats mean anything?) to make some assertion about the how wikipedia is morally inferior because of the supposed predominance of the "depravity" of suicide. And then for User:C to backfill the entry with a sancity of life article, and that "proves" (in hindsight!) CP's supposed moral superiority. VirileSterile^{blah, blah, blah} 16:20, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Homschoolerz

I think we should pull back on hitting the homeschoolerz on here, the adults do enough to keep us entertained, lets leave the kids out of this as much as we can. tmtoulouse ^plague 19:43, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

I have to disagree..... The kids are still making their own stupid statements.... They should see how dumb they actually are.... Besides, who do you think grows up to become the adult idiots? SirChuckB 19:47, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

I said a lot of stupid shit when I was 16, and a lot of that stupid shit I said on the usenet, and thanks to google groups I can go back from time to time to review the stupid shit I said. Perhaps in another 10 years RW will be around to show me stupid stuff I say now......*shrug* people are free to do as they want, maybe just use a little discretion with those below the age of consent. tmtoulouse ^plague 19:51, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Well, you know what? We're pretty mild, all things considered. I was a little hesitant to even poke a little fun at Ambers' mistake, even at that, though. Thinking about it, I just ended up losing even more respect for Andy (it's well into the negative numbers now) for pushing these kids onto that wiki in the company of adult freaks like RobS, Ken and Karajou, to say nothing of himself. He knows there's an ongoing fray there, and he's willingly exposing the kids to it.

If he cared more of the kids than his own self-aggrandizement via his pet project, he'd have made this a mainly student-run encyclopedia with a closed login. But he didn't, and won't. --Kels 20:04, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Andy has crossed the line from using CP as a tool for education to using "education" as a tool for CP. He is using the kids to expand his project not using his project to help the kids. Preaching to the choir and all that. I do not really follow this page that much actually, so if we have been using kid gloves on the kids then cool, I just saw the recent revisions. I will quietly move away now towards areas I am better acquainted with. tmtoulouse ^plague 20:07, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

I agree with Tmt's general sentiment. I was a moron when I was their age; I'd hate to be quoted and judged on it :-/-αmεσ (ninja) 21:04, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Would concurring be overly self-deprecatory if I were to? :) --Linus^{(plot evil tech)} 21:22, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Sorry Linus, you don't get a free ride, everything you do and say will be saved for posterity and mocked ceaselessly till your 18th birthday. tmtoulouse ^plague 21:24, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

A couple of random thoughts: Stuff posted on the WWW should have no expectation of privacy attached to it. Also, if Schlafly wants to use child labour to fill up his blog, the responsibility for what other people do with those posts falls on him to a certain degree. PFoster 21:12, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Agree on both points, and with out much evidence that we have really crossed a line I will withdraw any criticism that I might have made. Just something to keep in the back of our minds that these really are kids. tmtoulouse ^plague 21:19, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

PF said pretty much what I was going to. Man, parents letting their kids play on ashfly's blog is only one step safer than letting them visit Whacko Jacko for sleepovers. Is it our fault they are playing in full view of our village commons? Still, most of them are anon, ie, no last names. human^{be in} 21:28, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

I concur that the fault lies with the groomer and we have every right to do what we want, but don't have to. tmtoulouse ^plague 21:34, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

making fun of illiteracy, etc.

Our house is no better, so try to stick to the ideological stuff. Some of us could really use a spellchecker before hitting save... or sobering up, depending on who it is... human^{be in} 21:31, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Did we ever make fun of SimonA?

He seems to think so. Although I have a very deep problem with anyone who puts a "gay is not okay" box on their UP.-αmεσ (ninja) 22:30, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

BUT OMG. Do we have RW's first convert?-αmεσ (ninja) 22:33, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Democrat approval news?

Okay, so Rob just posted how the Democrats approval ranking went down to 11%.

I briefly looked over the linked document, but I can't seem to find anything about Democrat approval there, at least not in a sense that can lead to 11%. I won't put it into WiGO myself since it's possible that I missed something, so I'll instead ask for more opinions/explanations. I'm honestly confused, and the fact that Rob just linked to a 15-page document to back a one-liner doesn't really help. --Sid 12:47, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

More info: Apparently, this is the summary/explanation of the document. Within the text, the only 11% number is in "Just 11% of Democrats say the surge has made things better". Didn't check out all the graphics/tables there yet, though... --Sid 12:56, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

I just looked through the document, and it's pretty clear that Rob completely made that up (yet I somehow doubt it will end up at cp:Deceit). The closest thing they even ask is which party do you associate yourself with, in which case Democrat beats Republican by 5 points. Rob is, as usual, a moron and liar. DickTurpis 13:09, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

Don't know if he's outright lying, or if he misinterpreted something, but I can't find anything backing that 11% figure in that document anywhere. I even looked for something that could be confused that way, and still came up with nothing. -Smyth 13:12, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

Oh, he's a fucking liar. Look at this. Democrats reject habeas corpus? The Republicans filibustered it! What a dick. DickTurpis 13:14, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

Someone better invite WillM over here, fast. [1] DickTurpis 13:21, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

Odd, Andy has actually taken a rational response to WillM's criticism. No mention of liberal deceit. Expect the headline to change from "Democrats reject habeas corpus" to "Democrats side with terrorists over USA! Republican filibuster prevents the release of Guantanamo Bay terrorists into the country!" DickTurpis 13:25, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

Meh, I was a bit off. Andy does manage to create one astoundingly awkward sentence. Why "Democratic Senate"? Isn't it the Senate, regardless of who has more members? And since when is habeas corpus a new right? DickTurpis 13:27, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

That sentence really is awkward. It seems that Andy tried to add a desperate spin ("Democratic Senate") to something that would otherwise show Democrats in a good light. Notice how there is no mention of who voted against the right now. But I expect this entry to be among the first to be purged as new ones pour in. --Sid 13:37, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

The thing is, in Andy's view, this shows Democrats in a bad light, as they are "siding with the terrorists," so it makes no sense for him to attempt to tie it to the Dems. The really odd thing is that Rob's initial post seemed to be pro-habeas corpus for Camp X-Ray detainees, which is not the Rob I know. Either that or Pro Democrat, which isn't the Rob I know either. DickTurpis 13:44, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

and is it just me or is the linked Examiner headline very poor grammar as well? "Senate rejects to expand..."? Shouldn't it be "rejects expansion of" or "declines to expand"? DickTurpis 13:48, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

The leader writer was homelearnded. Genghis Khant 15:38, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

"Once again RobS gets overwhelmed when people offer "facts"."

I knew this would happen - I'd bet any money that the edit in question was whoever it was a few weeks ago of pretending to be Rob in order to gum up the works at CP. The "subversive" crack is too over the top for even Rob. Unless Rob is craftier than we think and is playing along...PFoster 20:55, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

Pay up. --Sid 21:08, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

Related: I kinda think/hope it's his kind of humor. Otherwise, I'd be very scared right now. Well... more scared than I am already by Rob's serious theories and rants. --Sid 22:03, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

I saw that! Really, let me in on the joke....is it a parody site? I thought I was MOR, but some of the people there are totally whacked! Someone needs to slap up a political test, so people would have some warning. Guess the same goes for here, because if Conservapedia is any barometer, everything with these wiki's are sort of off. User:NightTrain^{Ṣρёаќǃ} 07:26, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

Conservative's new pet article?

Hard to miss since it's currently dominating the Recent Changes, but...

Conservative is "doing research on the Times and liberal bias" over at cp:Talk:New York Times. Anybody who wants to observe a potential pet project evolving from scratch, check it out... might be worth a few chuckles. --Sid 21:29, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

Conservative seems a bit confused ...

Whoever put that item up (DickTurpis, I believe) the link now goes to the usual "deletedpage" memory hole. Did they burn the evidence before you could capture it? They are really sneaky! (But no deceitful, of course.) Can you bring back whatever it was? Gauss 21:31, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

No, check the edit summary of the unprotection. :P --Sid 21:55, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

Kudos to TK on one thing.

This was missed in the boycott, but his deletion of Talk:Main Page was a stroke of evil genius worthy of Professor Moriarty. I can assume I know why he did it - to piss us all off, because all those links went poof. Well, kudos. The king of whitewashers strikes again.-αmεσ (ninja) 21:47, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

Confrontation

I'm really interested in CP's classification of itself as an "expert-driven" encopicdic (cp:Intellipedia), when their membership restrictions are identical to those of Wikipedia, with the major exception of Anonymous IP edits. Still, making a CP account does not require being non-anonymous, or intellectual, or an expert. We should make CP aware of this folly. --Hjimachong 11:56, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

In a world where Schlafly was "tried more criminal cases than most lawyers" BethanyS is an expert in maritime history. tmtoulouse ^plague 11:59, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

It is an ENglish-speaking COuntries-only PICture DICtionary.--Edgerunner⁷⁶ 12:07, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

Popular pages

Dunno how much manipulation there is in this, but the "popular pages" list at CP is rather amusing. Being a Christian-conservative site, shouldn't Jesus Christ be a bit higher up than #48? I mean, at the time of this writing he is less popular over there than George W. Bush, David Beckham, Bill Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Harry Potter, Charles Darwin, Barack Obama, Alfred Nobel, Al Gore, Friedrich Nietzsche and Victoria Beckham. Other random items that are more popular include Kangaroos, Dinosaurs, Unicorns, Wikipedia, Cactuses, Marijuana, Goats, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Video Games, Sweden, Wine, Abortion, Pornography, World of Warcraft, Law Terms D (empty page), Alcoholic drinks and Cocaine. --85.214.91.152 17:25, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

"Dinosaur", "Cactus", and "Kangaroo" were popular examples mentioned in blogs back in February/March. "Abortion", "Charles Darwin", and other articles in that area are popular pet articles mentioned by sysops like Andy and Conservative, so I'm not really surprised there, either. --Sid 17:37, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

One might attempt to extrapolate a rough estimate of the number of "legitimate" visitors. For example, it seems reasonable to assume that the vast majority of the 200k "Kangaroo" viewers visited CP just for fun. Comparing those with "Jesus Christ" (around 50k) and "Bible" (less than 20k) seems to suggest that the ratio of legitimate viewers might well be under 20%, which would not be surprising. What puzzles me is the "Law Terms D" - how did you do that? ;) --Sleeping Dragon 18:13, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

I didn't do anything, although I know of at least one way how it could be done.

About visitors... I think the visitors can be split into three categories: Those who go there for the LOL, those who actually believe the crap there, and those who stumble over it by accident and then re-sort themselves into one of the first two categories.

And I did a search for link:http://www.conservapedia.com/Bible (lists pages that directly link to that URL), and the only non-CP URLs are this one and this one - you might notice that both blogs aren't exactly showcasing CP as a great site. --Sid 18:45, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

The contest no one cares about

While I know that there is more interest in cricket or crickets than the contest... the current contest doesn't give points for blocking. So how much use will TK be on the team? Unless they give him points for his ill advised crusade to make articles Title Caps and adding redirects. And then there's Ed occasionally creating a debate page to hide disagreement on talk pages. Karajou isn't that prolific of a copiercontributor either. It takes longer to clean up from a contest than it does to run it (they are still finding protected articles to keep the other team from stealing points - cp:talk:blood vessel)... maybe if they awarded negative points to an unclassified dead end, but then Andy would be sorely negative. --Shagie 18:18, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

Where is the Contest page? Are they talking about transforming cp:Contest into a team contest? I didn't dig beyond the Andy-quote there - my interest had already faded again. --Sid 18:36, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

It is here: [2] --NightTrain^{♦Τάļќ ǃ} 22:01, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

I knew of Tash's user page (although I didn't notice the new stuff, so thanks for the update). However, by now, it appears that this really is an extension of the quasi-contest that's been going on so far - you know, Andy's homework contest thingy at cp:Contest. Check that page out and you'll see that the winners of that phase apparently got promoted to Team Leader status. This is going to be trippy. The homeschoolers apparently aren't even being considered for the teams from what I saw... --Sid 22:36, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

I don't think so. The contest for the students, and this one are apparently different. Look at the team members posted on Tash's page, and who he asked. Ed Poor, TK and DanH were not members of the student teams.-- --NightTrain^{♦Τάļќ ǃ} 22:58, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

Well, that's the thing: For one, there were no student teams so far (and I don't see any now) - the team captains were just announced on Friday or Saturday. That contest had been a single-player event, so to speak. And then look at the team captains that are announced on the homeschool contest page: Tash and SharonS, the very same people who are now captains in the contest that involves TK, Ed, Joaquin, etc etc. So unless each captain now leads two teams (one student team, one top-contributor team), the homeschool class just got pwn'd. --Sid 23:37, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

You said "pwn'd"!!1!!111oneone !!2@@#!!!! Haha. human^{be in} 23:52, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

Obsession

Take a look at Conservative's running stats page:

September 22, 2007 at 2:45pm 
 Main Page ‎(1,670,976 views) 
 Examples of Bias in Wikipedia ‎(207,550 views) 
 Dinosaur ‎(192,087 views) 
 Homosexuality ‎(192,076 views) 
 Theory of Evolution ‎(191,612 views) 
 Atheism ‎(76,527 views) 

September 22, 2007 at 7pm 
 Atheism 76,643 

September 22, 2007 at 8:07pm 
 Atheism 76,673 

September 22,2007 at 9:20 pm 
 Atheism 76,712 

September 22, 2007 at 11:45pm 
 Atheism 76,821 

Obsessive or what? Genghis Khant 08:32, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

Or compulsive ;) Anyway, "Law Terms D", albeit empty, is more popular. --Sleeping Dragon 09:06, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

SSchultz

This is an interesting development; I sometimes do wonder if TK is a Donnie Brasco-like undercover liberal over at CP. A few of the links are now error messages, so it's sort of hard to follow what's happening. What is the alleged RW connection? DickTurpis 09:04, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

User:LinkedToCommiePlot

Went and posted invitations to rationalwiki all around the site, particularly on the pages of some liberal CP editors. Worth a mention? Feebas factor 11:08, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

was he one if us? I've abandoned socking.-αmεσ (ninja) 11:29, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

I dunno about mentioning it. It was just a single-use account that basically spammed around for a short time. Kinda pointless, even though we might get a visitor or two. --Sid 11:39, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

It was one of us. --Linus^{(plot evil tech)} 14:02, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

Apparently the nefarious recruitment scheme continues with User:ButWeDont and User:CommunistRecruitment. Hope it actually works... Feebas factor 14:44, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

Insight into Rob's brain

This comment seems to give a clue to the enigmatic "workings" of RobS's twisted little brain. I'm not exactly sure what to make of it though. It seems as a "qualified historian" Rob is incapable of looking at the present, and has to define things by what he deems they were like in the past. If a person/organization/whatever did something suspect in the past, that incident will not only be part of what they were, but will forever be all-encompassing of what they are. He freely admits he doesn't care about current events, yet he discusses them frequently. Is he just projecting incidents from the past and placing them in the present? That might explain why nothing he says ever seems to make any sense. DickTurpis 17:33, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

I think that, like a lot of old-time Conservatives, he pines for the Good Old Days of the Cold War, the clearly defined blocs of Us and THEM, and the imminent threat of nuclear holocaust. --SockOfGulik 11:20, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

Well of course that's the case and it's also the main problem. Historically, the USA actually was quite isolationist but once they started meddling in international affairs there was no holding them back. However, there has always been a tendency to polarize things into good and evil and therefore they have to demonize the enemy and barricade themselves in the fort - this is why cowboy films have been such a good analogy for the the whole of the US psyche. As most dictators know, it is easy to keep everyone in line if there is a perceived common threat; once the Soviet Union disintegrated they were unsure of their role in the world and Al Qaeda has given them a purpose, even if they don't really know how to combat it. Historically they have always used force to get their way and in the current climate that is proving counter-productive. Unlike the major European nations diplomacy has actually been a weak point for the Americans, who see conceding something to the other side in order to get what they want as a sign of weakness. This is exemplified by CPs attacks on "liberal" Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain for appeasing Hitler. Well, with the USA not prepared to enter a war at that time , Britain was actually ill-prepared to fight Herr Hitler and his "appeasement" bought valuable time for the British war-machine to get going. Unlike the Chinese and the Vatican who deal in centuries if not millennia, most Americans can't see past their next visit to the gas station. Genghis Khant 11:52, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

This is the end, my only friend

Is it just me, or has Cp gone completely, even more than usual, batshit insane in the past few days? You've got the second-rate sysops coming out and being wacky, you've got Rshilifiy making sense, TK's banning anyone that talks to him, and Ashlilfiy still mad. Is this the true end?--Offeep 17:37, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

Ironically, I think one of us posts a comment like this about every two weeks or so. human^{be in} 17:56, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

Here's the odd thing. I was googling Conservapedia recently, mostly to see if I could find any indication that someone takes that site seriously (apart from themselves). No one did, from the several pages of hits I looked at (the best they had was neutral references from Wikipedia and NPR), but looking at what the blogs were saying, and the articles they linked to, I have to say Conservapedia is noticably better than it was 6 months ago. Look at cp:Theory of Relativity. Obviously not the best article in the world, but compare it to Andy's "article" from months ago, which basically was just him ranking about how relativity has no impact on anything, Einstein didn't get a Nobel for it, it's undermined morality, it's just a theory, blah blah blah. Now, admittedly the older one is much more entertaining, but as an encyclopedia article, it's clear there's been a big improvment. The same is true for various other articles as well (articles are more likely now to at least give a cursory definition/description before going into a partisan rant). Conservapedia basically has 2 kinds of articles, the political shit that's just nutty (including some non-political shit that's been politicized by them) and the mundane articles that are generally short, poorly written, over-simplified and done 10 times better on Wikipedia. So while they're still largely batshit crazy, either there were loads more parody articles in the past, or they have at least not gotten any more crazy recently. DickTurpis 18:07, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

As long as Andy can continue to pay the server costs, the site isn't going anywhere. There probably aren't more than 40 - 50 real contributors to the site (and that's a generous estimate), and I would bet that the majority of new accounts are socks and wandals. Anyone who challenges the status quo is quickly tossed and the influx of new contributors is down to a trickle, so what is this really but a vanity project for a couple of people? Stile4aly 19:11, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

Oh, I think 40 - 50 is a very high estimate. Even of their 31 sysops, a good dozen of them are inactive (some for many months). There's about 8 or 9 non-sysops editors who do a lot of editing, and then there's the short-timers, who are either pranksters, wandals, curious people who lose interest quickly, or good intentioned contributors who get banned for idelogical reasons. Andy will probably keep paying the server costs, but eventually the hard-core editors will go the way of Bohdan, and it seems there are few to take their place. It is a vanity project for a few people; it always has been. It's a couple dozen people writing for each other, which is fine for a forum, but hardly good for an encyclopedia (imagine a Britannica read only by it's contributors). Is there any evidence anyone uses CP as a general purpose encyclopedia? Does anyone ever come across a name or concept they are unfamiliar with and think "I think I'll go look that up on Conservapedia"? I think those few people who do use it as a resource just use it to see what the ultra-conservative view of a subject is (either in seriousness or in jest), not as a source of general information. I guess that serves a purpose for political topics, but it's hardly useful for the Rocky Mountains or pizza. Even in those cases where it's unbiased and accurate, it's piss-poor as a resource. I think my favorite thing about the site is how every time someone makes a statement about the unreliability of Wikipedia, they see it as some sort of victory for them, when it's really an utter defeat. If Wikipedia is unreliable, what does that make Conservapedia, which has all the same flaws, and few of the advantages? DickTurpis 23:01, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

I'm curious to know how many of our socks are responsible for what gets on to our What is going on at CP? page? One of my socks is currently directly responsible for one bullet/CP link and indirectly for about two or three more.--Edgerunner⁷⁶ 10:25, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

I provoked at least three of them. Masterbratac 10:40, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

I like to think I play a role as well... egging on Conservative that one time was certainly fun. Meh, I'll probably do more as I work my way deeper into the system. 206.248.153.225 00:36, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

TK blocked Conservative

The deserves its place. tmtoulouse ^plague 00:02, 25 September 2007 (EDT)