Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?

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Anyone Else Having Issues?

Getting on CP's website? I just wanted to check if they did an IP block of the DC metro area. Also wanted to see how their presidental biographies compared to the offical White House bios. Not much is really said about 'W' but Bill sure has some props!--TimS 14:22, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

I always feel like I have issues when I feel the urge to load some fo that stuff. If I'm gonna haul manure, I want to put it on my garden! human^{be in} 20:00, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

Note: I just brutally archived this talk page. Feel free to copy back anything you were vitally concerned with from archive 5. human^{be in} 20:51, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

Except for parrothead, (which I suspect) and Wisdom8976785, all contributors seem to be "block" or above in the hierarchy. So I guess "This site is stagnating rapidly" should ought be on the mainpage? CЯacke® 21:53, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

Hence our joke slogans: "this site is growing rapidly", vs. "this site is shrinking rapidly" Weez phunny, eh? human^{be in} 22:39, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

Porthos

I must say, I'm really impressed when told "You believe that by denying reality, you can somehow make it go away," Kookajou proceeds to do exactly that. --Kels 19:45, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

Black Churches

I love this logic:

• . Church Arsons went down
• . Black Churches are churches

Therefore

• • Arson in Black Churches went down as well

Just another friendly Bit of Head-Up-My-Ass-Logic From the Schafly Horde SirChuckB 14:07, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

Keep in mind this is from Ed "I-met-Jimbo-Wales-and-can-talk-down-to-you-therefore-I-are-an-intellectual" Poor.-αmεσ (advocate) 14:23, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

HaHaHa! True dat! "Like nails screeching on a blackboard..." ---ИїģḥŤ¤Ṭŗáìṇ ^{♦Τάļќ ǃ} 16:08, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

Conservative: "High Google rank is important, but how we got it isn't."

Ahahahahaha...

(That's the current permalink - discussion is still in progress, but since Conservative tends to quickly remove discussions from his page, this might be safer than a regular pointer to his talk page. You should still check for updates, of course.)

So it's a Good Thing when the rest of planet Earth thinks that CP and Conservative's articles are absolutely idiotic because that makes them popular! How desperate must you be when you're this proud about being made fun of?

By this reasoning, RW is Conservapedia's strongest ally. Heck, Andy should pay us money - we're boosting CP's popularity and reputation as a Trusworthy Encyclopedia! Better yet, we should all be made sysops because we're contributing so much to CP's popularity! Godspeed! --Sid 21:45, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

Unless the complaining websites listed factual errors or had substantive criticisms, I really don't care about them. Newton 00:01, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Do you want us to line-by-line it?-αmεσ (advocate) 00:10, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

What constitutes 'substantive criticisms'? Most every site I've seen that mentions Conservapedia seems to think it's a bunch of loonies with bad scholarship and worse biases. --Gulik 04:22, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Really, unban me, I never did anything wrong on CP. All I did wrong was hang out with this gang of infidels! Oops, if ya unban me, I prolly still won't bother to sign in and "make productive edits". Goatspeed!!! human^{be in} 05:38, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

However, RW and many others are boosting CPs page rank, and one might reasonably wonder whether this is really a good thing. It is a known fact that a substantial part of the internet users hardly ever look beyond the very first search results. --Sleeping Dragon 07:31, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

I think it's a necessary evil. Keep in mind that RW is a Page 1 result for Conservapedia, which comes in handy when people stumble over CP and go "WTF? Is this parody? Is it serious?". While we don't exactly contribute to CP sinking into obscurity, we do point out how it is absolutely nuts (just like pretty much every other source that isn't as nuts as they are).

Also: Any halfway critical reader will easily dismiss CP. Their "concise" articles are too short to be of ANY use (they're either dictionary definitions, overly technical, or omit key things - see for example cp:Michael Crichton for an article created by one of CP's Top Editors), and their pet articles are basically overly verbose Chick Tract transcripts: "Screw any sort of reasonable definition, forget what the other side actually says, let's start preaching!"

As such, I'm not exactly worried about CP having a high search rank. --Sid 08:20, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

While I agree that this is not one of our worst problems, I do not fully agree that this is a necessary evil. For example, one could provide the URLs without linking them, like <www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page>. --Sleeping Dragon 11:14, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Conservative, pretty much all of them pointed out bat-shit-insane errors. The thing is that you redefine the words as you need: "factual errors" excludes anything that goes against your own PoV, and anything that might vaguely argue against your preaching becomes "wrong", "liberal", "opinion", "garbage", "not encyclopedic", and whatever else you can think of, even if the material has authoritative sources.

As such, of course nobody ever mentioned any errors - by your definition, your material has no errors to begin with! And nobody managed to suggest good changes because - by your definition - all they ever suggested was liberal, post-modernistic garbage.

And you wonder why everybody starts crying and groaning whenever you decide to "improve" an article? (Yes, except for Andy, but I honestly don't think that he actually reads the crazy shit you write most of the time.)

In fact, I remember it well when you "improved" the Kangaroo article to become exactly what the press accused it of being: A ridiculously biased fairytale that plays down any possibility of evolution and instead argues that the kangaroos hopped all the way from Noah's Ark (or were catapulted there by a volcano - I loved that theory, is it still on CP?). --Sid 08:33, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Really? A V-O-L-C-A-N-O ? OMFG! Is this user, "Sleeping Dragon", Kenney? You banned his ass, and allow him back? This guy, it is like the religious people who knock on your door Sunday's. Only this bot never leaves or stops! His infection is spreading. He evidently has also "improved" the article on Hitler. -- --ИїģḥŤ¤Ṭŗáìṇ ^{♦Τάļќ ǃ} 11:30, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

He should watch that as Hitler is one of TK's pets and Ken certainly doesn't want to cross the old borebear again. Genghis Khant 14:57, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

The volcano theory and discussion took place on the Post-Diluvian Diasporas talk page, and all of it is still on CP today. One classic point is citing the movie Twister as evidence that tornadoes can safely carry animals. In all fairness, Ken didn't make any contributions to the Post-Diluvian Diasporas page, nor could I find any discussion of volcanoes on the Kangaroo page. The theory is still absolutely insane, but in this case, not Ken's insanity. --Brian 11:56, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Ahhh, yes, that was it! One of my favorite bits from CP, right along with "There are microbes on Mars because they were catapulted there from Earth during the Great Flood, via Hydroplate Theory!" (Link) Gotta love CP for those bits... :D --Sid 16:26, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Most of the links that RW provides to CP are no-follow tagged. tmtoulouse ^oppress 11:34, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Concise answer! I suppose that is so to not voluntarily provide CP with page views? --ИїģḥŤ¤Ṭŗáìṇ ^{♦Τάļќ ǃ} 12:10, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

You can still click on them to get there NT, but I believe it stops a search engine using them. Links from other sites is one way of upping your Google ranking, not that it would matter to Kenservative though. Genghis Khant 14:57, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

We bump their pageviews a lot, but they don't count as Google-rankable links, right?-αmεσ (advocate) 15:05, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Those links that are made with double brackets like [[cp:Main Page]] do count as Google-rankable links. --Sleeping Dragon 15:14, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Slavery & Racism

A personal challenge from Ken/Newton/Conservative can be found here. He challenges us to find non-Christian support for ending slavery/racism, etc. It was moved not to censor him, but because the topic did not pertain to this page.-αmεσ (advocate) 00:44, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

<sarcasm>You MOVED Newton's golden words? You horrible evil censorious Deceitful Liberal. </SARCASM> --Gulik 04:27, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

I thought it was on the Main Page, rather than WIGO? --Kels 06:43, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Brevity

Just a thought, but aren't a couple of those more recent entries a bit on the long side? I understand if something's a "breaking story" you'd want to do some updates, but we might want to avoid whole paragraphs when it comes to the initial entry. Maybe they can be trimmed a little, like in the case of Graham's departure, which I assume is being covered in Banwatch as well. --Kels 14:31, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

I'd go with one link per sentence. I think we need snapshots of the insanity not an overview of its wackiness. The truly insane and monumental ought to go on the best of page. MOO. CЯacke® 16:57, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Oops. I just added some not-very-brief material about Graham's case over on banwatch. I hadn't read this page at the time. But I felt that the burning of evidence just couldn't go un-remarked on. Should we add a new page titled "burning the evidence"? It seems they do it so much these days that we could easily pump material into it. Is there already a page on this topic? Gauss 17:17, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

There must be editors there who could copy the information, no? ----ИїģḥŤ¤Ṭŗáìṇ ^{♦Τάļќ ǃ} 17:39, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Harry Potter provided comfort

Those line ups and sighs of relief all across the globe after a new Harry Potter book was released seem to prove it provides a lot more comfort then I have seen the Bible provide people. And their is the same level of support for the science behind Harry Potter as their is for the science behind the Bible...........interesting....130.113.218.226 16:00, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

"Wait, What?!?"

Is there more to this than meets the eye? It's well known that CP loooooooves copying from .gov sources. For your reading pleasure:

• Conservapedia:Team Contest
• Conservapedia:Team Contest/New articles
• Conservapedia:Article Creation Record Attempt (June 23)

I won't remove the entry, but unless there is more going on, this could be turned into a "Yup, contest is still going strong, and the contestants do what they do best" thing? --Sid 11:49, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

Uh, this one is particularly interesting.......take a look at the title of the article on cp... tmtoulouse ^oppress 11:57, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

You can't expect them to read something before they copy and paste can you? That goes against the entire "don't read an encyclopedia, write one" mandate. Looks like this contest is going to be nothing new. Debbie is already counting points for several articles that she actually copied and pasted back in June [1][2][3][4] and July (for the previous contest) [5] or even ones where someone else did the copy/paste instead of her [6][7] . --Brian 13:26, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

The reason I added it is because of the complete disconnect between the CP title and the actual meaning. The contest is patently ridiculous to begin with, but even within it there will still be lightning strikes of pure insanity. Stile4aly 13:31, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

Ahahaha, sorry XD I didn't pay attention to the title under the assumption that they'd get that one right at least *laughs* --Sid 13:43, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

Looks like the "Wait" article (unemployment rate) has been deleted, so the entry is now meaningless. Out of curiousity, what did it say? DickTurpis 18:00, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

I've updated the entry. Put simply, it was just a copy-paste of the second link, but with a totally unconnected title. --Sid 18:28, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

Someone needs to help "improve" this article, so it will be up to their high standards! Some are making it too liberal, according to TK. [8] ----ИїģḥŤ¤Ṭŗáìṇ ^{♦Τάļќ ǃ} 18:59, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

Nah, see my CP main page post, its the FASCISTS! No, seriously, it is. -- מְתֻרְגְּמָן וִיקִי ^{שְׁלֹום!}

Look at the link I posted above! It deserves attention. Lots of it. Really. - --ИїģḥŤ¤Ṭŗáìṇ ^{♦Τάļќ ǃ} 20:21, 30 September 2007 (EDT) 20:19, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

"Easy War"

So what military experience does Andy have, again? --Kels 16:17, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

Same as his medical experience.-αmεσ (advocate) 16:20, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

And his legal experience and research experience.......guy is one step above living in his mommies basement. tmtoulouse ^oppress 16:26, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

Well, as the patriotic man he is, I'm sure he's doing all he can for the war effort. I wonder, has he been promoting the recruiting offices in his wiki, or among his students? Encouraging the old among them to sign up as soon as they're old enough? To say nothing of signing up himself, of course, since I don't think he's outside the age range. That would be the moral thing to do. --Kels 16:31, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

Fortunately, both the Army and the National Guard accepts new recruits as old as 42 years, so it's not unlikely that he could make it. And if not, well, better people than he have lied about their age in the past. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 16:41, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

I am sure he has several yellow ribbons on his SUV. tmtoulouse ^oppress 16:38, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

He'd have the magnetic ones, so he wouldn't even be sacrificing a bit of paint. --Kels 17:04, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

Fascism entry

Who posted the one about TK and fascism? Neither link actually takes you to where he's saying something relevant. I'd fix it, but I have no idea what the original reference is. --Kels 22:20, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

I did, but the context is necessary. TK said 'we emphasise action, not debate'. Mussolini, upon being asked why he didn't go through political debates, said that it was because 'fascism is action'. I'll remove it though, if it's not going down well. -- מְתֻרְגְּמָן וִיקִי ^{שְׁלֹום!}

It's a bit tenuous. I mentioned it because I couldn't find the reference to TK saying that, which I figured would be necessary. --Kels 22:25, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

It was on the neocolonialism talk page, but TK's gone and deleted it. Oh well. -- מְתֻרְגְּמָן וִיקִי ^{שְׁלֹום!}

Infantile proxy jumper Nerd

Vandalism? Moved to IP's talk page. Susan^{talk to me} 15:31, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Oh, so if I sign on, I can post here, but if I don't, I can't. Now I understand. --87.14.238.242 15:33, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Huh, wait... --87.14.238.242 15:33, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Can you explain that again? --87.14.238.242 15:34, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

If you're sensible you will be able to edit here as your original IP in 1 day (block length). But why not create an account anyway? Susan^{talk to me} 15:41, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

I don't like accounts. And your statement about "your original IP" makes no sense. Look up "dynamic assignment" in a reference of your choice. --87.4.237.22 15:47, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Lessee, range block 87.4.0.0/16 does what? CЯacke® 16:32, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

A bit too wide (and possibly off target). I think 87.14.237.0/22 would get the IPs so far. I'm not sure how big of a netblock telecomitalia.it has. --Shagie 16:38, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

No need to sign in. Need to add "content", though. BTW, that odd wandalism should have been moved to a wandalism page, rather than the IP talk page, I think. Or, simply deleted... human^{be in} 17:11, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Mmm I would have moved it to a vandalsm page but a) 'tweren't funny & b) somewhere for the vandal(?) to talk if (s)he wanted to. I'll delete the page in 24 hours or so. Susan^{talk to me} 17:33, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Assfly on Ed Blocked....

"A Wikipedia administrator just blocked a Conservapedia editor and longtime Wikipedia contributor arbitrarily and without giving any reason..." Wow. After all, such a thing never, ever happens on Conservapedia. Screw you, Assfly. Take your pseudo-outrage somewhere else. PFoster 18:53, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, "arbitrary and without giving any reason" (that makes sense) is practically Conservapedia's trademarked approach to blocks and bans. And especially Ed throws those "x hours/days" blocks around whenever he feels that the other side might potentially be able to build a case that goes against whatever he invents. --Sid 18:57, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Update: I believe the technical term is "LMAO!" It would be absolutely hilarious if one of Ed's recent victims got creative, but I somehow think that Ed doesn't need external help at screwing up enough to get blocked. --Sid 19:00, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Slow reaction times

Brilliant! I expected maybe some obscure member (to give Ed the benefit of doubt), but HUMAN? That's one of the showcase guys of blocks!

Seems to be a trend, though. He also replied to Graham today (disclaimer: Graham apparently left days ago, but last time I checked, he was unblocked again), and Conservative also replied to one of my age-old posts a while ago.

Okay, I freely admit that they don't have an easy job: Considering how almost every non-sysop either left or got banned, chances are VERY good that a talk page reply to a post older than a week will be directed at somebody who isn't there any longer.

But at least Conservapedia is growing rapidly! Godspeed! --Sid 20:19, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

No offense for askin', but waht the hell did I have to do with this? Unless I missed it? Tx for tellin' :) human^{be in} 02:38, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

This was about the entry about cp:Talk:Slope - so you come into the mix because Ed finally bothered to reply to you :-P --Sid 08:47, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

TK has several times unblocked an account but left the IP addresses the account has loged in from blocked. This makes life difficult for those who have those accounts. In Graham's case, his account was blocked and IP addresses blocked on September 29th while just the account was unblocked on October 1st. There is also the question of 'does one want to exist on CP at the sufferage of TK?' For all practical purposes, Graham has never been unblocked. --Shagie 20:59, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Burka-Wearing Women on Conservative's Talk Page.

Wow. Kenny is a hateful moron with an infantile sense of humour. What an a-hole.PFoster 22:23, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

"Wow. Kenny is a hateful moron with an infantile sense of humour. What an a-hole." second or third'ed human^{be in} 02:39, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Grawert, Justice, concurring in the judgment.-αmεσ (advocate) 21:59, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Think I will sock him up, as suggested by learned counsel! ----ИїģḥŤ¤Ṭŗáìṇ ^{♦Τάļќ ǃ} 22:01, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

It just shows that Ken has as good a grasp of humor as he does of evolution. DickTurpis 22:14, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

We'll see how long it takes him to remove my question. ----ИїģḥŤ¤Ṭŗáìṇ ^{♦Τάļќ ǃ} 22:22, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Even funnier that at this writing, the image he chose to replace the burka pic isn't working. --Kels 23:25, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Why am I not surprised? ----ИїģḥŤ¤Ṭŗáìṇ ^{♦Τάļќ ǃ} 00:08, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

His old pic of M.C. Hammer challenges us to find factual errors in CP's ToE article. Shall we takr him up on it? --Hjimachong 00:34, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Proably not without more communication. --ИїģḥŤ¤Ṭŗáìṇ ^{♦Τάļќ ǃ} 00:45, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

The picture at the end with the Russian guy says "a theory of evolution that I developed". He could say "an application for..." or "a practical use for...", but he can't say that it's a separate theory. Also, the existence of the science doesn't mean it's bad; jumping off a building will kill you, but you can't blame gravitation. --Hjimachong 00:49, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Actually, Lysenko's theory _was_ a separate theory--a sort of Lamarckian theory (evolution by traits acquired during creatures' lifetimes), as opposed to Darwinian evolution (evolution through random mutation). It was backed for ideological reasons by the USSR. Most people might take that as evidence that supporting a scientific theory for purely political reasons over evidence is a BAD idea, but not Conservative...it just indicates that Evolutionist Commies are DOUBLE EVIL. --Gulik 01:53, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

You might want to add that scientists supporting Darwinian evolution instead of Lysenkoism, were put into gulags. Not sure if this Stalinist practice counts as support of Darwinism. Tohuvavohu 02:25, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

To say nothing of the fact that, no matter how some scientists may have suffered, science is not about people, it is about facts. Verifiable facts about our universe... etc.,,, etc,,, etc,,,, oops, pick a booger now..... human^{be in} 02:43, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

wp:Thomas Samuel Kuhn. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 05:46, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

RobS and Global Warming

I don't think it's surprising that Rob would want a rewrite of the Global Warming article. I DO think it's surprising that he suggested that, in the article, a section on positive evidence should come before a section on critisism. Unlike, say, the evolution article, which for the longest time, the first paragraph after the contents was one about "Lack of Transitional Fossils," if i am remembering correctly. -- ♠ ŖєuĻєəux ♠^{say wнäτ?} 08:45, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Rob? You mean Ed Poor, right? Rob didn't post about a re-write of Global Warming. Ed Poor did. -- --ИїģḥŤ¤Ṭŗáìṇ ^{♦Τάļќ ǃ}

Rob writing an article about Global Warming would be immensely entertaining, though...

Rob: "Global Warming is caused by Communism!"

Sysop X: "Uhhh, Rob? We're sorta determined to show how Global Warming isn't happening."

Rob: "...oh. Well, in that case, Global Warming is just a Commie scare tactic to undermine capitalism and freedom!"

...and then we'll send Conservative in to "improve" the article :D --Sid 09:43, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

LOL! I did mean Ed, but I said Rob instead. My bad, sometimes the people at conservapedia all start to look the same...-- ♠ ŖєuĻєəux ♠^{say wнäτ?} 12:55, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Nobody wants to play with Ken

Ken was fairly successful in chasing away from the atheism article first everybody who disagreed with him, then the few that didn't, and finally he even won Andy heart in the argument with TK about whether to open the article to the world. It seems however that he feel lonely in his new little kingdom, because right now he makes desperate attempts to inflame a discussion on the talk pages. Nobody wants to play with Ken. Serves him right. Maybe in the end he will even manage to make himself loose interest. Tohuvavohu 10:07, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Wow - does it really count as a "Talk Page" if only one person is doing the talking? Maybe they shoud install an "Insane Rambling Monologue page for him. PFoster 10:19, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

That's the article page. --Kels 10:58, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Somebody appeared to talk to him. Suggesting that the article isn't that great. I wonder how long he will last, if he is real. But I am suspicious that it is just a sock puppet. Ken's sock puppet. But that is of course wishful thinking. Tohuvavohu 11:45, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

TerryH's Medical Training

I recall seeing somewhere on CP that TerryH had proclaimed that he had medical training and therefore is a scientist. I just wondered if anyone had any evidence to support this? The majority of his edits have to do with the bible and he seems to miss some basic scientific understanding when it comes to biology. (I want to avoid sending my son to the school that TerryH attended, if he is medically trained)--TimS 10:26, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

TerryH did recently say "As a man having a medical degree, I can and do claim, with no small justice, that I know far more about the scientific method than you do" [9](second paragraph). He's also made mention of going to medical school [10](last paragraph). Interestingly, though, on his userpage on Wikipedia (as user Temlakos[11]), he describes himself as a software developer [12], not a doctor. On his blog, he claimed to be in medical school from 1980-1985 [13], and makes mention of being an intern [14], which would seem to imply that he is an MD.

It seems strange that an MD would refrain from making any medical-related edits, and would describe himself as a software developer (though he does claim to have expertise in medicine on his CP user page). I'm not sure that his claim is true, but his grasp of science does seem very lacking. --Brian 10:47, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

I don't know about that, but I do know ConservATory is Canadian. Nobody outside Ontario would reference Premier Dalton McGuinty. --Kels 10:56, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

I wonder if he is fooling anyone by saying he has medical training? His scientific knowledge is lacking to the point I question his claims. I smell deceit.--TimS 11:02, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Actually, if you take the above at face value, it would make sense if he dropped out of med school at some point. Failure or his own decision, it wouldn't matter, although I'm guessing the former. If he then went into computers instead, he could still claim to have "medical training", even though he gave it up more than 20 years ago, and probably wasn't very good at it then. --Kels 11:07, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

I just asked [15]. I'll probably get banned for it, but maybe he'll answer or delete it. In any case, a refusal to answer is a sort of answer, in of itself, is it not, Grasshoppers? ^{Exasperate me!}Sheesh!_{I said what?} 12:21, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Don't even get me started.--PalMD^{-Oy, mein tukhas!} 15:07, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

We should keep a list of his comments that are out of sorts with the medical community...-- ^{I am the Alpha}TimS_{and the Omega!}. 15:10, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Cranky Ed

So, will he block TK for calling him a crank the same way he blocked Jenkins for calling his edits biased? Or will he show his neck to the alpha male? Or did I just answer my own question? --Kels 11:05, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

For some reason when I think of Ed I envision a sub getting ready to take a beating by a dom.--TimS 11:16, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Conservateur

Andy has approvingly called Conservateur a parodist, which Cons did not dispute. From that I can reasonably take it that this is one of the sysops posing as a parodist in order to disrupt conversations critical of CP (which is most of what Cons does), rather than anything genuine. DanH has also pointed out that he's a parodist, and despite not being shy about blocking parodists has done absolutely nothing to him. This leniency is extremely unusual behaviour on the part of the sysops, and it makes the whole thing painfully obvious. --Kels 13:59, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

He's gone Czolgolz 18:02, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, I already posted something about what an AMAZING COINCIDENCE that he was banned very soon after I posted that. Isn't that amazing? --Kels 18:11, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, I say without hyperbole that TK is nasty little prick not a very nice person and he revels in it. ^{Exasperate me!}Sheesh!_{I said what?} 18:53, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Well, Tattletale, there goes hours of effort down the drain. The tragic irony is that aside from my sometimes overly-polemical talk page comments, I was actually making mostly reasonable edits to articles for the last two or three months, occasionally to correct stuff pointed out here. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess.--GeeThanks 19:00, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

You have got to be shitting me. --Kels 19:05, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

No need for proof?

If there's no "need to prove something doesn't exist", I think a few radical changes to CP's articles on God, Jesus, the Moon, and Ronald Reagan may be in order. --SockOfGulik 15:09, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Too funny

It's not really worth a WIGO entry, but this one from Ken makes me laugh. I read that bolded section as wild-eyed, zealous enthusiasm and imagine the reaction of "Oh, God, get him away!" and I giggle. 'Cuz I'm immature like that. XD --Kels 22:53, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Well, since we're being immature, I've got to say that I'm mostly amused by his inability to spell the freaking site name in the headline. ;) For the log, right now it's still not fixed. --Sid 23:11, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Wow, I hadn't even noticed that. Good catch. --Kels 23:22, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

He repeated it in the first line as well, but got it right after that.:--Remarcsd 00:45, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Have you noticed: with conservative/newton it's always "jam tomorrow", never jam today? Susan^{talk to me} 23:23, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Goat gone

cp:Unicorn now in @ number 10. Btw has anybody got more sub pages than conservative? Susan^{talk to me} 23:08, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Nope, he's definitely the top guy there. What's funny is that subpages are NOT covered by the Castle Rule, so him protecting them and filling them with useless junk might not be Good Style (but then again, he's a sysop, so any complaint about that will surely end up with him boasting about how ebul lib'ruls are so afraid that they try to censor him). --Sid 23:18, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Goat has gotten "protection" from User:C, after he deleted it and recreated it; it has over 5300 "hits" as of the timestamp of this post. CЯacke® 00:40, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Over 7300 now. CЯacke® 01:02, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

You'll wear your index finger out! Susan^{talk to me} 01:07, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Nah, I set my auto-repeat om the keyboard just low enough to allow the cache to clear, I get about 500 "hits" per minute holding down ctrl+shift+r I'm too lazy to be stupid. CЯacke® 02:10, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

I was doing the same at "racism" on metapedia. Until I got embarrassed and left the site. But I tripled its hits... (PS, pumped it up, it's 3rd after main and Adolf frickin Hitler now) human^{be in} 02:32, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Alas, Conservative hijacks another page! VirileSterile^{pie chart?} 11:33, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Ed Poor - WTF?

More of a global observation, but certainly a "What's going on?" case: WTF is up with Ed these days? He's hyperactive and totally determined to... I dunno what. But here's what I noticed (check his contribs since I won't wikilink every single item):

• Burma monks, along with the blocks of Graham and Jenkins
• Goes crazy about Jenkins pointing out that CP sysops engaged in POV-pushing on WP, blocks him (despite clarification about Jenkins not meaning that Ed did that) and censors talk page post
• Grim determination to play down global warming (Montreal Protocol talk page)
• His "Global Warming" talk page stunt.
• Playing up the low death toll of Chernobyl as environmentalist liberal deceit and promising more
• Whitewashing Michael Savage's entry - because gossip is only gossip when it's about conservatives
• Replying to people who have been banned for months (Talk:Slope)
• Sob story about how the evil Wikipedia blocked him, followed by him being very grumpy/dismissive when people point out how that's not really Main Page material

I fear there is more; this is just what I noticed by occasionally checking the Recent Changes. Seriously, what is up with the guy? If I didn't know better, I'd say he's some sort of deep parody mole, trying to make CP look even crazier than it is already. --Sid 23:36, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Re: Chernobyl, CP's own cite at cp:Chernobyl hype actually estimates the total number of deaths at 4000. 50 is the stated number of deaths due to acute radiation exposure. Do I automatically get the deceit brand for carefully reading the source? And a couple of related points:

1. Sure, I understand that there have been plenty of anti-nuclear power crazies, but regardless of how many people died at Chernobyl, it was a freaking nuclear meltdown. Overhype? Aside from a comet smashing into Mount Everest, what non-war-related environmental event should should be hyped more?
2. From what I understand (somebody correct me if I'm wrong), environmentalists these days generally support nuclear power (it's safer now, it's cleaner than burning coal/gas, and all the rest). So I'm not sure what the point is here--Mr. Poor appears to be railing against the liberal environmentalists on this issue, but it seems they'd agree with him (though maybe not on the "Chernobyl wasn't a big deal" opinion).--Bayes^update 01:34, 3 October 2007 (EDT)<--secretly believes that lower-back tattoos are deceit brands

Carefully reading sources is not the CP way. See: Burma monks, front page thingy about bird migration, and so on. (I still remember Andy citing a paper called something like "Suggested tests for the Moon creation theories" to support his claim that the theories are untestable...)

And even with a low Chernobyl death count, you should factor in the damage control and medical aid/progress, I think. If people had gone all "Yeah, well, don't worry about it", more could have died. So the fact that the actual count is lower than projected is as much good luck as it is limiting the effects, unless I'm completely mistaken.

At the same time, (if memory serves me correctly) not THAT many people died during the 9/11 attacks, so should the events following it be called "9/11 Hype"?

Not sure if you can make a blanket statement about environmentalists, though. While nuclear power certainly is cleaner than coal and whatever, the waste disposal is still an issue with them (See the CASTOR transport protests in Germany, for example. Here is an English source I found after a quick Google search). Most "green" dudes here favor things like solar energy. However, few people nowadays hype against meltdowns and stuff, I figure. --Sid 08:40, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Agreed on point that more people would have died if nobody cared. Didn't mean to make a blanket green statement. I guess I'm under the impression that (speaking very generally), greens today would prefer to get energy from solar/wind/water, then resort to nuclear power, and only then burn fossil fuels as a last resort. As opposed to, say, in the 1970s, when there was more of a backlash against nuclear power. You're right, I probably shouldn't have said that greens "support" nuclear power, but it seems that given the choice of nuclear power or burning fossil fuels, more people would choose nuclear now, which wouldn't have necessarily been true 25-30 years ago. But that was before my time, so what do I know?--Bayes^update 11:36, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Startling admission by Assfly

He should seek help. ----ИїģḥŤ¤Ṭŗáìṇ ^{♦Τάļќ ǃ} 16:14, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Oh. Dear. What a sick, sick, filthy little pervert. I hope someone in the US reports him to his local Constabulary. Spica 16:52, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Ken deteriorating?

I'm not sure if it's my imagination, but over at the AFD for his new pride and joy, doesn't it seem as if Ken's getting a bit more off the rails than usual? As you go down the page, he gets more and more desperate for people to understand his point of view, and his editing gets even more manic. To say nothing of the writing style, I mean look at this gem, in all it's rambling, incoherent wonder. And that took him three edits to do! --Kels 21:53, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

What saddens me the most is how he focuses on quantity instead of quality, and on constant re-arranging instead of thinking of a structure in advance. Not just in GBS, but also in ToE, Atheism, and what else not.

Encyclopedia sections aren't really modular. Or at least, they usually shouldn't be. Good articles should have a... I think the English term is "golden thread". If not, I mean the guiding principle that goes from the first to the last word. Each section leads to the next, sections build up on another, you got the intro, the main part, and the end... things like that. Yet, Conservative shoves sections up and down as he sees fit right then and there. The fact that he can actually do so shows how his "articles" are only thrown-together patchworks.

And his hasty drive-through editing style really shows when he makes a bazillion edits, but doesn't take the time to even properly format his references. I can't even click on some of the GBS reference links because URLs from the other column reach all the way over them. Don't even get me started on the horizontal scrollbars(!) and the multiple mentions of the same few sources (a problem that could be fixed in all articles once the risk of sections moving wildly sinks under, say, 75%).

It's not gloating or snark for once, it's genuine pity and advice. Conservative obviously has a lot he wants to tell the world, but his approach lacks proper planning. Instead his "articles" are ever-shifting as he decides that the sections should be ordered differently or that there is yet another thing he just HAS to include. Maybe he should take a deep breath and think more like an architect. Plan, execute. Plan, execute. --Sid 22:56, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

I agree, on pretty much all counts. The pity only deepens when you look at his conduct on the page, where when faced with opposition, not from those he's marked as "enemies" but from people who should be lapping up his every word, he doesn't have the language to deal with it. He's left with becoming ever more frantic, repeating the same points as if that will convince them. Of course, you see a certain degree of that here when he trolls for page hits, although I have no idea why he'd want us to look at his shit more, since all we do is just make fun of it. But it's quantity over quality, as you said. --Kels 23:04, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

I think his pimping here is basically his try to game the Google system. Somebody earlier today posted his results of googling for atheism conservapedia, and most results were either caused by socks of Ken and potential socks of Robert Turkel, I think. Notable because one of his Talk:Main_Page posts here about atheism was on the first page, too. So he just wants as many sites as possible mentioning Atheism and Conservapedia in some context to rise in the Google rank.

And yes, his massive FAIL on the AFD page showcases how much he relies on hollow or off-topic replies filled with empty quotes or pointers to quotes. It mostly shows nicely because, as you pointed out, these people are the hardcore, no-fun sysops we all learned to love/hate.

But as much as I pity him (and a part of me does pity him a bit, really) for being torn to shreds, this is a LONG OVERDUE and well-deserved slap to bring him back to reality. People there don't want to hear about Yet Another Bad Thing About Homosexuality in the form of "he said she said, and look at AiG's article". They don't want to see yet another pet project of the week to clog the Recent Changes, especially since it'll be his exclusive property even when he gets bored with and finally abandons it.

Yo, Conservative: A little bit of team spirit and collaboration goes a long way. --Sid 23:29, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Communazi

Take a look at Unencylopedia's entry on Communazi [16].

Oh hey, wait til you see what I'm going to do with Matsuoka pact. Anyone wish to wager one year from now both these terms generate 30,000 Google hits each? RobS 00:17, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

My but you're a self-obsessed little tart! Counteroffer: if within a year the terms together and in quotes total more than 3,000 hits, I'll buy you a pony. Also, I don't care. Your silly taunts are rarely humorous, but they are all the more so when they're incomprehensible. So, as for this latest one, good job.-αmεσ (advocate) 00:29, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

Also, take a look at it now.-αmεσ (advocate) 00:30, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

Tee hee. Whatever, I had a good time. I got to prove to you what a moron TerryH really is. Sheesh. I even left little clues for you, which I'm surprised weren't picked up on by some of your more ban-happy sysops. You have to wonder, now; how many other people on CP are just socks? I'm the last old cabalist to have a sock, but the new guard is more virulent.-αmεσ (advocate) 01:30, 4 October 2007 (EDT)